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Post by andyman on Sept 6, 2011 18:23:04 GMT -5
Cam,
Smallville included some guidance for playing online in a play by post manner (like we do here). How play by post friendly will the new Marvel game be?
By play by post friendly, I mean a turn does not rely on multiple rolls that have to occur before a story can continue.
For example GURPS seems kinda unfriendly to online gaming because...
Post 1. GM says to roll initiative. Post 2. Player reports Initiative roll result. Post 3. GM rolls for enemy and tells player they go first. Post 4. Player rolls to hit, waits for GM to roll the enemy's dodge. Post 5. GM rolls dodge, waits for player to roll damage. Post 6. Player rolls damage, waits for GM to apply damage - damage resistance. Post 7. GM can finally say, "Spider-Man hit the Hulk, but it doesn't appear to have hurt him at all." Now he says Hulk swung at you, roll dodge. Post 8. Player rolls dodge and failed. Post 9. GM rolls damage and says, "Hulk smashes Spider-Man."
MURPG is friendly because instead you get the same result in only 2 posts. Post 1. Player allocated stones for attack and defense. Post 2. GM sees Player has higher agility than enemy and compares stone allocation, then he responds, "Spider-Man hit the Hulk but doesn't appear to have hurt him at all. Hulk then smashes Spider-Man."
How will Cortex+ work?
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Post by cambanks on Sept 6, 2011 19:51:17 GMT -5
The playability of Marvel Heroes via online methods is definitely something I'm going to be looking at. I can't say exactly how it will work yet, though!
Cheers, Cam
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Post by angel on Sept 12, 2011 0:13:16 GMT -5
So? That makes it a good thing? There are plenty of RPG's that manage to squeeze just as much if not more content in a single book. Why DnD doesnt do this is probably either a tradition... or desire to make more money becouse people are nostalgic (quality of content is another thing) And I was gonna say something about said books being about events, but Im not in a mood for a rant. I have to kinda disagree with this, Playah. Let's look at the two top selling supers RPGs : Champions/ Hero system: has the over sized main rules, plus dozens of supplements for villians, NPCs , adventures, and the like. Mutants and masterminds: Main rukes, archtypes books, NPCs, adventures. all sold independently of each other. , i would say about the same model , to be honest.
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Post by Jet on Sept 12, 2011 2:14:36 GMT -5
So? That makes it a good thing? There are plenty of RPG's that manage to squeeze just as much if not more content in a single book. Why DnD doesnt do this is probably either a tradition... or desire to make more money becouse people are nostalgic (quality of content is another thing) And I was gonna say something about said books being about events, but Im not in a mood for a rant. I have to kinda disagree with this, Playah. Let's look at the two top selling supers RPGs : Champions/ Hero system: has the over sized main rules, plus dozens of supplements for villians, NPCs , adventures, and the like. Mutants and masterminds: Main rukes, archtypes books, NPCs, adventures. all sold independently of each other. , i would say about the same model , to be honest. Are there any other alive and well done superhero games out there?
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Post by angel on Sept 12, 2011 7:34:09 GMT -5
I have to kinda disagree with this, Playah. Let's look at the two top selling supers RPGs : Champions/ Hero system: has the over sized main rules, plus dozens of supplements for villians, NPCs , adventures, and the like. Mutants and masterminds: Main rukes, archtypes books, NPCs, adventures. all sold independently of each other. , i would say about the same model , to be honest. Are there any other alive and well done superhero games out there? There's GURPS Supers , but that follows the , Multi- supplement format as well. Most of the Single format style that you prefer (are either inactive, Blood of Heroes, Abbrerrant, or lesser known, Hearts and Souls, Godlike), so i could see, where MWP would want to go the former. I understand why you're not a fan of it, it forces the consumer to buy more product than might seem neccersary, but Isn't that the point of maing these products in the long run?
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Post by Jet on Sept 12, 2011 7:49:20 GMT -5
The main problem isnt the fact that there's a lot of books. The problem is- Im polish. In order to play these games I have to: a. Find an illegal pdf file <- not even gonna elaborate how wrong it is and how much I try to remedy this, however, read below...
b. Wait and hope for it to be translated and published in Poland <- thats possible, but unlikely. We get most popular RPG products here, like DnD, Warhammer, Cthulhu, Savage Worlds and such. But superhero systems? Yeah, lets just say the only thing less alive then Role Playing Games is a comic book industry. Lets just say there's two or three good comic books, and neither of them appeal to me.
c. Hope that shops will stock up on american copies <- that so far is the only common solution, but shipping isnt cheap and therefore they're really, REALLY expensive. Anima Beyond Fantasy costed me about 1/4 of my monthly salary, and that was one book. Full set of DnD 4ed is even more expensive. Yes, Poland is a poor country, especially for nerds.
All in all, I dont think I even should be talking to you about it, becouse you damn yanks dont have such stupid problems. And I cant blame publishers for what they do- they have to earn money too and after talking to some people involved, I learned that its not as easy as you might think. In other words, I lose by default and nobody can do anything about it. Unless economy gets better, but what are the odds?
Sorry, got a little too personal. Dont mind me.
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Post by Black Sam on Sept 12, 2011 9:02:04 GMT -5
...talk about blowing up everyone else's argument! ;D
Just ribbin' ya! That blows -- you should take a road trip. That's probably not helpful, I know. You PDF pirate you.
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Post by angel on Sept 12, 2011 14:47:42 GMT -5
The main problem isnt the fact that there's a lot of books. The problem is- Im polish. In order to play these games I have to: a. Find an illegal pdf file <- not even gonna elaborate how wrong it is and how much I try to remedy this, however, read below... b. Wait and hope for it to be translated and published in Poland <- thats possible, but unlikely. We get most popular RPG products here, like DnD, Warhammer, Cthulhu, Savage Worlds and such. But superhero systems? Yeah, lets just say the only thing less alive then Role Playing Games is a comic book industry. Lets just say there's two or three good comic books, and neither of them appeal to me. c. Hope that shops will stock up on american copies <- that so far is the only common solution, but shipping isnt cheap and therefore they're really, REALLY expensive. Anima Beyond Fantasy costed me about 1/4 of my monthly salary, and that was one book. Full set of DnD 4ed is even more expensive. Yes, Poland is a poor country, especially for nerds. All in all, I dont think I even should be talking to you about it, becouse you damn yanks dont have such stupid problems. And I cant blame publishers for what they do- they have to earn money too and after talking to some people involved, I learned that its not as easy as you might think. In other words, I lose by default and nobody can do anything about it. Unless economy gets better, but what are the odds? Sorry, got a little too personal. Dont mind me. I sympethize with you playah, and i believe that it is unfair in the long run. And for the record: nothing wrong with venting, as long as it's civil, my man. -Angel
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Post by Ricochet on Sept 12, 2011 15:02:02 GMT -5
The main problem isnt the fact that there's a lot of books. The problem is- Im polish. In order to play these games I have to: a. Find an illegal pdf file <- not even gonna elaborate how wrong it is and how much I try to remedy this, however, read below... b. Wait and hope for it to be translated and published in Poland <- thats possible, but unlikely. We get most popular RPG products here, like DnD, Warhammer, Cthulhu, Savage Worlds and such. But superhero systems? Yeah, lets just say the only thing less alive then Role Playing Games is a comic book industry. Lets just say there's two or three good comic books, and neither of them appeal to me. c. Hope that shops will stock up on american copies <- that so far is the only common solution, but shipping isnt cheap and therefore they're really, REALLY expensive. Anima Beyond Fantasy costed me about 1/4 of my monthly salary, and that was one book. Full set of DnD 4ed is even more expensive. Yes, Poland is a poor country, especially for nerds. All in all, I dont think I even should be talking to you about it, becouse you damn yanks dont have such stupid problems. And I cant blame publishers for what they do- they have to earn money too and after talking to some people involved, I learned that its not as easy as you might think. In other words, I lose by default and nobody can do anything about it. Unless economy gets better, but what are the odds? Sorry, got a little too personal. Dont mind me. You know, you could work in the Netherlands for a couple of months, make a buttload of cash, spend it in Utrecht on gaming stuff and then go back. Lots of Polish youngsters do it. Well, minus the spending it on gaming stuff.
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Post by andyman on Sept 12, 2011 18:39:41 GMT -5
I hate pirates!
(Uh oh. Better change my avatar.)
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Post by Dhark on Sept 12, 2011 19:10:17 GMT -5
While it won't help the pricing, straight PDF option alleviates the difficulty in tracking down physical copies (you can buy the PDF, and then print it out if you need/want). Beats pirating?
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Post by Jet on Sept 13, 2011 7:17:09 GMT -5
Ricochet: Yeah, I know a lot of polish youngsters work aboard, whether its Netherlands or Great Britain, but there's too much holding me here. Several societies Im dedicated to (including one that promotes Board Games and RPG's to casual people) , best work ever (even if the pay is minimal, I dont ever want to leave it), school (which Im paying hard cash for, so leaving is not an option), friends and stuff. Oh, and family. Even a short time will be wasted outside. Dhark: Im not a fan of buying something that cant be touched. Might as well get a pirate, which is exactly the same thing, except Im not paying a penny, I feel bad for ripping of someone's work and I risk getting arrested (then again, I have higher odds of getting stabbed to death then actually arrested for something so petty). So, no. Its a step in a good direction, but worth even less then actually shipping stuff. Andyman: Despite wearing a skull bandana almost all the time (I have three of them, btw) as my signature accessory (seriously, hardly anyone from manga/anime or RPG fandom EVER saw me without it), Im, more of a ninja person as well. And even more then that, Im into samurai. Sadly, walking in a kimono on streets is out of options.
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Post by Dhark on Sept 13, 2011 8:45:26 GMT -5
<shrug> I usually print out my PDF's. Touch away!
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Post by Jet on Sept 13, 2011 9:00:56 GMT -5
Not a bad idea. Sadly, if I had to print every book I want to play I'd be really, REALLY broke (MURPG doesnt like b/w conversions).
Although printing out Maid's RPG isnt such a bad idea now that I think about it...
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Post by Ricochet on Sept 13, 2011 11:59:36 GMT -5
Minimum wages: Poland 240 euro/month Netherlands 1264 euro/month
Just curious, what is this ''best work ever'' that you're talking about?
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