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Post by takewithfood on Feb 19, 2012 15:50:46 GMT -5
Good call on the fairy tale show. I'd forgotten about that. I guess I haven't been watching much TV lately - or any, really. Most of what I get, I download or get on DVD. ^___^
I still feel like Star Wars needs some sort of socially-acceptable gateway, though, to help it cut through the perception of nerdity. I don't think you'd see that fairy tale show if it weren't for the widespread popularity of Harry Potter, you know?
Oddly, even though Star Wars was always one of the most broadly popular science fiction franchises, I think it's fallen behind in this recent awakening of the general public to what geeks and nerds have always known: that this stuff is FUN and mostly AWESOME and not something to shy away from. But perhaps it's because Star Wars was always so popular that it never needed - or received - that gateway experience in some other form. Plus, the prequels were pretty terrible and really helped besmirch the name.
Maybe this would be the gateway show, though - something that could have surprise appeal with broad audiences and make Star Wars more fashionable?
I don't know. I'm still feeling iffy about it.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 19, 2012 16:51:54 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why you think one of the most successful movies of all time needs to be made publicly acceptable. It's Star Wars dude. People love Star Wars.
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Post by roxolid on Feb 19, 2012 20:16:11 GMT -5
It would cost a fortune to do properly, with decent special effects in every episode. BSG, Voyager, TNG and most other Sci Fi shows all had episodes where you barely saw any evidence that the episode in question was set in space or the future, because they'd blown their effects budget on another episode. There were far too many holodeck episodes of TNG for my liking, and not enough spaceships blasting chunks off each other.
A Star Wars show written by George Lucas would need a budget of around £3 trillion per episode to divert the viewer from Georges' crappy writing. He should produce the thing and get some of the talented writers out there to come up with one off episodes and the odd connected run with the same character. Get all sorts of guest stars in to get the geeks mouth foaming. Mark Hammill probably turns up to the opening of an envelope these days if the fee is right. Get him to play an old, fat, short jedi or something. If Carrie Fisher isn't in rehab she could do an episode. Just keep Antony Daniels away from the thing, for sanitys sake....
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 19, 2012 23:53:34 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why you think one of the most successful movies of all time needs to be made publicly acceptable. It's Star Wars dude. People love Star Wars. People love the Star Wars trilogy - they aren't so sold on the rest of what the the franchise has to offer: Droids? A cartoon aimed at kids. Ewoks? Same Star Wars: Clone Wars? Same. Star Wars: The Clone Wars? Same. Expanded Universe books and comics? Nerdy. Star Wars video games? Nerdy. Star Wars RPGs? Nerdy. Star Wars TCG? Nerdy. Star Wars action figures etc? Nerdy. Most people haven't really accepted Star Wars beyond the original trilogy, and the prequels were poorly received. So, yes, I'm skeptical that prime-time audiences are ready to really get into a live-action Star Wars TV show. Rox, you have a good point about the cameo possibilities. Fans would go crazy over that! ~TWF
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 4:01:11 GMT -5
People love science fiction, when it's done well, and people love Star Wars. A Star Wars TV series could be the next Buffy I've been hearing about a Star Wars series for years now, and I'm still waiting to see it. There hasn't even been a star trek series in years. Sci Fi isn't popular with audiences these days. Look what happened to Firefly. Granted, Joss Whedon wasn't/isn't as big a name as Lucas, but Firefly's budget wasn't anywhere near what Lucas probably wants, so it's a tradeoff. And considering how much trouble he had in the prequels deciding whether to aim his film at kids or adults who enjoyed his previous films as kids, I'm guessing he'd have a really hard time finding an audience. The only really successful Sci Fi out there now is CSI and its many clones. Any show that seriously says "enhance!" or other mumbo jumbo is modern Sci Fi. So sad. I don't really count the various vampire dramas as "Sci Fi" as they mostly shirk the actual exploration and "what if?" in favour of kinky sex. Only Supernatural did the job properly, but it's on its last legs, now. I like how Dr. Who brings up that humans are "Very Progressive" in the future. Most Humans are human/alien offshoots. Also, I'd just like to say that I kind of liked Enterprise and was sad when it got the can. I liked it a hell of a lot more than stupid Voyager. ~TWF For someone who isn't a Star Fan, I've seen allot of it. It seemed to be the only thing on TV back in the day. Next Gen was okay, Q and Lore were great antagonist. Deep Space Nine was okay. I did like how they did a couple of things like bring back in characters from the previous series every now and again. Voyager Sucked. Janeway was the worst captain ever. Her crew should have mutinied her as soon as she blatantly breaking the prime directive of not interfering with events of other planets societies and etc. She did that right off the bat, and got them stranded.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 20, 2012 7:34:58 GMT -5
I think you're underestimating the broad appeal of some of those things. Star Wars novels have been NYT Best Sellers (okay, not since the days of Zahn, but still...). Actually, leaving the Star Wars specifics behind for a second, it seems like you're a bit behind the times on just how mainstream "geek" has become. It's still trendy to make jokes about a lot of these things being for losers or whatever, but the fact that G4 TV regularly references things like D&D suggests to me that the days of genuine "disapproval" of "geeky" hobbies are a thing of the past. I'm confused as to why you think one of the most successful movies of all time needs to be made publicly acceptable. It's Star Wars dude. People love Star Wars. People love the Star Wars trilogy - they aren't so sold on the rest of what the the franchise has to offer: Droids? A cartoon aimed at kids. Ewoks? Same Star Wars: Clone Wars? Same. Star Wars: The Clone Wars? Same. Expanded Universe books and comics? Nerdy. Star Wars video games? Nerdy. Star Wars RPGs? Nerdy. Star Wars TCG? Nerdy. Star Wars action figures etc? Nerdy. Most people haven't really accepted Star Wars beyond the original trilogy, and the prequels were poorly received. So, yes, I'm skeptical that prime-time audiences are ready to really get into a live-action Star Wars TV show. Rox, you have a good point about the cameo possibilities. Fans would go crazy over that! ~TWF
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 20, 2012 11:03:00 GMT -5
The geek revolution is growing, but I don't think it's quite ready for prime time Star Wars. We'll just have to disagree.
I'd love to see it happen, but I just can't picture Underworld getting and maintaining an audience large enough to justify what will probably be a ridiculously large budget.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 20, 2012 16:26:05 GMT -5
The budget would only have to be huge because Lucas is a twit. If he were the Lucas who made A New Hope, he could put together a killer series on a shoestring budget.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 20, 2012 17:11:22 GMT -5
Absolutely. I miss skinny George Lucas. EDIT: Actually, I think we owe a lot to guys like Ralph McQuarrie for much of what we wound up loving in the original trilogy. Dude designed Darth Vader. Mad props. If you haven't already, check out some of his design art. It's incredible. I wonder what the prequels would have been like if he hadn't turned down the offer to work on them. ~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 20, 2012 17:31:17 GMT -5
I have posters and action figures of Ralph McQuarrie's original designs. To be honest, I think a lot of them were terribad.
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Post by shenron on Feb 25, 2012 3:17:41 GMT -5
Has anyone been reading any of the Star Wars books lately? I read the Thrawn Trilogy a few years ago (which was awesome).
Anyway, I am currently in the middle of the second book of the Darth Bane series which I have been really enjoying. It gave me motivation to order the following;
Cloak of Deception Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
Anyone read any of those?
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Post by roxolid on Feb 25, 2012 6:12:21 GMT -5
Not lately. The prequels drove me away from Star Wars for a long time until I played Force Unleashed with my son, and I really enjoyed that. I read the Thrawn Trilogy when it came out, and the Jedi Academy plus a few other storylines (all pre-prequel) and quite enjoyed them, but reading about Star Wars is one thing. Visualising it from the words on the page is quite another, and Star Wars is all about visuals (and terrible dialogue in the movies at certain times. Midi Chlorians. 'Nuff said.)
That's part of the problem I had in 86 or whenever it was with the 1st SW game. Once the players had blown stuff up, ranging from a landspeeder to a mini death star, and battled all manner of stormtroopers, gangsters and what not, we were more or less playing 'generic space opera game' making up stuff as we went, because there weren't all these books and games to go off. Nowadays, a Star Wars RPG has so much to go off, it would be much better RPing in the SW universe as you're spoilt for choice with eras, books, games, background stuff, cartoon show...
So what happens? The Licensed SW game gets pulled and probably scares anyone off from chasing it in the future. Based on their current run of licenses, maybe MWP will have a stab at it, presumably after inflicting Twilight: Endless vacant staring and Angst RPG, or Chuck: The Intersect RPG on the world.
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Post by shenron on Feb 25, 2012 11:08:48 GMT -5
Well, I think WotC was dumb giving up the Star Wars Licensee but they were not doing much with it anyway.
Actually, Fantasy Flight Games now has the License, but I have heard nothing in the works.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 25, 2012 12:53:47 GMT -5
Expect Fantasy Flight to crank out cheap revisions of it's popular table top games with Star Wars paint applied. If they put out an RPG, it will probably be the worst Star Wars RPG of all time (but I'll probably still buy it)
It is possible, I would love to see a Star Wars RPG based on the Warhammer Fantasy Second Edition rules, which I still stand by is one of the best fantasy RPGs I have ever ran/played.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 25, 2012 15:10:02 GMT -5
I think I played the D6 Star Wars RPG once, but it devolved into free-form after a couple sessions (at least two players were new to gaming and just could not grasp the rules) and we actually wound up having more fun that way. I miss my cutthroat smuggler. *le sigh de tres nostalgia* ~TWF
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