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Post by WildKnight on Jun 8, 2019 15:03:36 GMT -5
Ironically; around the time Black Panther came out I was feeling heavy super hero movie fatigue, and when people asked why I wasn't excited about the BP movie, my answer was "how much do you want to bet me that there is a scene in this movie where cars are speeding down a street, Black Panther is doing hero stuff in the general vicinity of the vehicle, and the vehicle eventually flips over" (which of course happened in BP, because it happens in virtually every Marvel movie)
... which is my way of saying, "in some ways, Marvel hasn't really raised the bar all that much"
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 8, 2019 17:24:41 GMT -5
Yeah, they love their flipping cars. I guess once the animators get good at something, might as well use it more than once. But my point is that Marvel puts a lot more than flipping cars in their movies, and that's ultimately what gradually built up to an emotional event like Infinity War/Endgame. Funnily enough, I think it's one of their own movies - Captain Marvel - that proves the point. They largely failed to develop Carol Danvers as a character with the now-classic Marvel formula (and I'd argue Brie Larson was their first prominent miscast), and despite the biggest, most over-the-top powers in the series, the result was a general consensus of "meh". That under-developed "meh" is all the Fox X-Men movies were evening aiming for: questionable casting, uninspired writing, and bland, underdeveloped characters.
EDIT: Also, for the record, I think I developed super hero movie fatigue somewhere after the first Avengers. However, I like basically any truly good movie, and will occasionally see a just-okay one if I'm just in the mood for a movie. As long as Marvel (or anyone else) keeps making really good movies, I'll probably keep watching, but I'm long since over the excitement of seeing any comic book movie just because it's a comic book movie.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 8, 2019 19:12:35 GMT -5
Yeah, they love their flipping cars. I guess once the animators get good at something, might as well use it more than once. But my point is that Marvel puts a lot more than flipping cars in their movies, and that's ultimately what gradually built up to an emotional event like Infinity War/Endgame. [/div][/quote] I didn't really love Endgame TBH. It was too jumbled and had too many corny moments wrecking the tension of the situation, and I can't think of a single joke in the entire movie that actually made me laugh.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 8, 2019 20:21:28 GMT -5
It was mostly a big victory lap: an opportunity to play around with the universe they built, and send off some characters in style. I liked it for what it was, but Infinity War was more of an actual movie.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 8, 2019 20:30:02 GMT -5
It was mostly a big victory lap I've actually described it the exact same way. I didn't hate it, but I think its got more problems than people like to admit. Even taken as a wrap up of the previous phase(s), there are some moments that just don't work, people acting out of character, jokes that aren't in keeping with the established personalities of the people involved, etc. I can accept Tony Stark joking about "America's ass" during a tense moment. I cannot accept Captain America, as established in previous films, doing the same.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 8, 2019 20:50:34 GMT -5
lol Yeah, it's pretty goofy at times. Professor Hulk kinda set that tone early on. I think what made it feel most jarring to me is how dark and serious the movie started out. I don't know why, but I managed to sorta turn my brain off - something my brain normally doesn't do, unfortunately - and so I enjoyed it thoroughly.
EDIT: Also, for me, it was more of the
joke that felt a little too meta to me. But it was also hilarious, so I just went with it.
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Post by Dhark on Jun 9, 2019 20:11:59 GMT -5
Caught this yesterday. It wasn’t as horrible as I expected it to be, but that’s a fairly low bar.
Hopefuly the MCU is out there doing their homework, and trolls our boards for fan-thoughts.... if not outright writer recruiting (I continue to plug that some of us here would be BRILLIANT additions that actually UNDERSTAND the characters and what makes/made them so great).
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 10, 2019 6:44:14 GMT -5
Another yikes: Dark Phoenix earned only $33 M in its opening weekend. To put that in context it trails other comic book adaptation hits such as Daredevil ($40 M), Ghost Rider ($45 M), The Green Hornet ($33.5 M), X-Men Origins Wolverine ($85 M), and the friggin' Peanuts Movie ($44).
This is despite having a budget of ~$200+ M, which is more on par with movies like Guardians of the Galaxy ($170 M), The Dark Knight ($185 M), and The Avengers ($220 M).
Combined with brutal reviews this thing is going to bomb pretty hard. A lot of this pain is actually going to be based on what people thought of the previous films, especially Apocalypse: audiences and reviewers alike are just done with this franchise. Fox probably saved a lot of money by selling it to the mouse.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 10, 2019 6:45:31 GMT -5
Another yikes: Dark Phoenix earned only $33 M in its opening weekend. To put that in context: it trails such box office hits as Daredevil ($40 M), Ghost Rider ($45 M), The Green Hornet ($33.5 M), X-Men Origins Wolverine ($85 M), and the friggin' Peanuts Movie ($44, and technically a comic book adaptation lol). This is despite having a budget of ~$200+ M, which is more on par with movies like Guardians of the Galaxy ($170 M), The Dark Knight ($185 M), and The Avengers ($220 M). Combined with brutal reviews this thing is going to bomb pretty hard. A lot of this pain is actually going to be based on what people thought of the previous films, especially Apocalypse: audiences and reviewers alike are just done with this franchise. Fox probably saved a lot of money by selling it to the mouse.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 10, 2019 9:28:29 GMT -5
Caught this yesterday. It wasn’t as horrible as I expected it to be, but that’s a fairly low bar. Hopefuly the MCU is out there doing their homework, and trolls our boards for fan-thoughts.... if not outright writer recruiting (I continue to plug that some of us here would be BRILLIANT additions that actually UNDERSTAND the characters and what makes/made them so great). Would you say that its worse than X3? I've seen this claim multiple times and simply cannot figure out any way it could be true...
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Post by Dhark on Jun 10, 2019 10:55:52 GMT -5
Not even close... MUCH better than X3.
I have my quibbles, but I would have MUCH rather had this than X3. By and far.
My ranking:
Much better than I expected for sure. My complaints, aside from cannonical story line departures, were much fewer than I expected. I think I’d rank the whole lot of them as....
Logan Deadpool 1&2 X-Men X2 Days of Future Past X-Men: Dark Phoenix X-Men: First Class The Wolverine (2013)
X-Men Apocaylpse X3 Wolverine
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 10, 2019 11:48:12 GMT -5
Of the ones I've seen, I think for me it goes:
5-stars: Logan
4-stars: Deadpool X2
3-stars: X-Men Deadpool 2 Days of Future Past
2-stars: First Class The Wolverine
1-star: Apocalypse X3 Origins: Wolverine
Something like that. Maybe the original X-Men is better than I remember; that one was a tough call as it's hard to judge the old movies by the same standards as the recent ones. From the trailers I'm expecting to rate Dark Phoenix as a 1-star, but maybe as high as a 2.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 10, 2019 12:34:30 GMT -5
The fact that you people have so much love for Logan right off the bat tells me that we don't agree on films at all 8)
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 10, 2019 12:35:19 GMT -5
(to say nothing of Deadpool)
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Jun 10, 2019 15:50:00 GMT -5
The fact that you people have so much love for Logan right off the bat tells me that we don't agree on films at all 8) I didn't like Logan either... Granted I never saw it, but I read a plot synopsis and I hated how it made theentire rebooted timeline pointless.
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