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Post by shenron on May 12, 2019 10:20:07 GMT -5
The more I am thinking about it the more I am leaning towards the Question or Jason Blood. I $#@!ing hate this speech. Of all the completely wrong-headed, asinine things Quentin Tarrantino has had his characters say in the movies, this is by far the worst. It is exactly 180 degrees from the truth. Superman DOES NOT disguise himself as "weak" because he thinks humans are weak. Superman IS the disguise, Clark Kent is the real guy (and furthermore, ONLY in the 70's era movies is Clark a wimpy little dork, in every other portrayal Clark is a pretty manly guy). Superman DOES NOT look down on humanity. The single most important aspect of his personality is that he's the most human of all of DC's menagerie of high powered godlings. Ya - I agree with you. It was more for the natural killer aspect of it. I have actually been rewatching Louis and Clark and that is one of my favorite iterations of superman outside of Chris Reeves portrayal. One of the most refreshing angles I have seen on him was during one of the recent DC reboots where he was basically a new budding superhero. He was poor, doing not so glamorous reporting before the daily planet, had various ideas about society etc. Kinda a spiderman angle.
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Post by WildKnight on May 12, 2019 11:40:09 GMT -5
I $#@!ing hate this speech. Of all the completely wrong-headed, asinine things Quentin Tarrantino has had his characters say in the movies, this is by far the worst. It is exactly 180 degrees from the truth. Superman DOES NOT disguise himself as "weak" because he thinks humans are weak. Superman IS the disguise, Clark Kent is the real guy (and furthermore, ONLY in the 70's era movies is Clark a wimpy little dork, in every other portrayal Clark is a pretty manly guy). Superman DOES NOT look down on humanity. The single most important aspect of his personality is that he's the most human of all of DC's menagerie of high powered godlings. Ya - I agree with you. It was more for the natural killer aspect of it. I have actually been rewatching Louis and Clark and that is one of my favorite iterations of superman outside of Chris Reeves portrayal. One of the most refreshing angles I have seen on him was during one of the recent DC reboots where he was basically a new budding superhero. He was poor, doing not so glamorous reporting before the daily planet, had various ideas about society etc. Kinda a spiderman angle. Lois & Clark was a great show, for what amounted to a RomCom with superheroes LOL
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Post by shenron on May 12, 2019 12:10:43 GMT -5
Haha WildKnight. That is true. I also enjoyed Luther's portrayal as well.
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Post by mcr on May 12, 2019 12:30:41 GMT -5
As I mentioned previously it's totally cool for the characters to know that other heroes exist, and it's perfectly fine for the heroes to be reasonably well established within their own stories. But I do see this as the first opportunity these characters have had to interact with one another and to get to know each other personally. Which would be harder if they knew a lot about each other already.
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Post by shenron on May 12, 2019 16:29:14 GMT -5
Alright, so I think I have settled on The Question.
Though, because we are dealing with an infinity crisis there are different versions running around or that are a possibility.
So, if I remember correctly I think in the Justice League there is an alternate reality where basically the Nazi's won the war and control the world. That control being completely totalitarian.
My version of The Question is a freedom fighter from that time that gives the public real information regarding cover ups, events, etc. He has been known to do some spy work and sabatuge outside of his usual investigative techniques.
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Post by mcr on May 12, 2019 18:37:36 GMT -5
In the canon, there’s Earth-3 which is more or less run by an evil version of the Justice League called the Crime Syndicate. Alexander Luthor Jr., son of that earth’s Lex and Lois, was its only hero until the death of the multiverse in Crisis on Infinite Earths and his heel turn prior to and during the events of Infinite Crisis where he supposedly died.
Having a character following Junior to literally question his supposed death would be interesting.
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Post by WildKnight on May 12, 2019 19:31:23 GMT -5
Since people seem to be leaning more toward second tier guys, I think I found my boy...
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Post by RidiculousNinja on May 12, 2019 20:55:07 GMT -5
Yeah it does seem to lean towards more 2nd tier I don’t mind backing of of Shazam if that’s going to create too much of a power divide. He’s nearly on par with normal Superman
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Post by WildKnight on May 12, 2019 21:29:07 GMT -5
Yeah it does seem to lean towards more 2nd tier I don’t mind backing of of Shazam if that’s going to create too much of a power divide. He’s nearly on par with normal Superman I wouldn't worry about the power thing... I was joking about doing Firestorm, but Firestorm is crazy powerful if I did do him. Like "I can literally transform anything into anything else, also read minds because memories are energy, also forcibly shrink people to subatomic size, also force subatomic people or things to become larger, also some other stuff, but basically that's already pretty broken as it is." Not to mention; in many of her incarnations, Hawkgirl is only slightly less strong than Superman, AND she has an Nth metal weapon. I don't think you'll be too over the top unless you go absolutely crazy on the CAD
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Post by shenron on May 12, 2019 22:14:08 GMT -5
In the canon, there’s Earth-3 which is more or less run by an evil version of the Justice League called the Crime Syndicate. Alexander Luthor Jr., son of that earth’s Lex and Lois, was its only hero until the death of the multiverse in Crisis on Infinite Earths and his heel turn prior to and during the events of Infinite Crisis where he supposedly died. Having a character following Junior to literally question his supposed death would be interesting. Awesome. I'll have to read more about about and I'd. I am not familiar with it.
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Post by RidiculousNinja on May 12, 2019 22:27:54 GMT -5
Yeah it does seem to lean towards more 2nd tier I don’t mind backing of of Shazam if that’s going to create too much of a power divide. He’s nearly on par with normal Superman I wouldn't worry about the power thing... I was joking about doing Firestorm, but Firestorm is crazy powerful if I did do him. Like "I can literally transform anything into anything else, also read minds because memories are energy, also forcibly shrink people to subatomic size, also force subatomic people or things to become larger, also some other stuff, but basically that's already pretty broken as it is." Not to mention; in many of her incarnations, Hawkgirl is only slightly less strong than Superman, AND she has an Nth metal weapon. I don't think you'll be too over the top unless you go absolutely crazy on the CAD Not planning on going to crazy but his strength is definitely going to be 10 I’m having trouble with his other stats though he nearly if not a ten in all but agility
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Post by WildKnight on May 13, 2019 9:00:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about the power thing... I was joking about doing Firestorm, but Firestorm is crazy powerful if I did do him. Like "I can literally transform anything into anything else, also read minds because memories are energy, also forcibly shrink people to subatomic size, also force subatomic people or things to become larger, also some other stuff, but basically that's already pretty broken as it is." Not to mention; in many of her incarnations, Hawkgirl is only slightly less strong than Superman, AND she has an Nth metal weapon. I don't think you'll be too over the top unless you go absolutely crazy on the CAD Not planning on going to crazy but his strength is definitely going to be 10 I’m having trouble with his other stats though he nearly if not a ten in all but agility His Str should be more than 10, but you have to not take all of his abilities too literally. For example, I know he supposedly has the "wisdom of Solomon" but think about the way he's actually portrayed most of the time... Shazam is NOT an Int 10 guy. He'd get destroyed in an intellectual conversation with Batman and Superman. He has a unique ability to pull up information as needed, but access to that ability is clearly pretty slipshod, at best.
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Post by WildKnight on May 13, 2019 9:57:49 GMT -5
So I've submitted Kyle Rayner as White Lantern (with the option to swap him to Green if mcr doesn't want to deal with the "spectrum" stuff). I may also crank out a Flash.
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Post by WildKnight on May 13, 2019 10:09:48 GMT -5
(May also still do Batman, I'm really digging the idea of a grizzled, veteran Batman who doesn't trust the others to succeed without his guidance)
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Post by mcr on May 13, 2019 10:19:07 GMT -5
Not planning on going to crazy but his strength is definitely going to be 10 I’m having trouble with his other stats though he nearly if not a ten in all but agility His Str should be more than 10, but you have to not take all of his abilities too literally. For example, I know he supposedly has the "wisdom of Solomon" but think about the way he's actually portrayed most of the time... Shazam is NOT an Int 10 guy. He'd get destroyed in an intellectual conversation with Batman and Superman. He has a unique ability to pull up information as needed, but access to that ability is clearly pretty slipshod, at best. I know folks in other contexts have expressed questions about how to scale DC heroes into the MURPG system. The best advice I can give is not to worry about it too much. There will be equal opportunities for each character to do things (or should be - and if you're designing your character to do everything, you may want to retool it even if it's not consistent with how character X is portrayed in the comics).
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