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Post by dorkknight23 on Nov 15, 2010 16:48:59 GMT -5
Dear MURPG board,
Never change.
Sincerely,
~DK
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Post by raynorn on Nov 15, 2010 17:28:49 GMT -5
Funny how "look at this odd game" can give spawn to musings about the interactions of free speech and prostitution.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 15, 2010 17:43:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't bother going against prostitution. It's the world's oldest profession, and therefore older and much more formidable than me. It's kinda like trying to cure "the common cold".. It's no older than murder. We can't stop either of them, and both have proven, negative effects on individuals and groups. Yet I never hear the argument that, since we can't stop murder and it's always been around, perhaps we should take a permissive attitude toward it. Perhaps legalize and tax it? Hey, while we're at it... robbery has been around quite a while too...
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Post by takewithfood on Nov 15, 2010 18:11:21 GMT -5
One of these days, when someone posts a really innocuous thread, I'm going to start a secret pool on the side where people can bet on how long it will take before the thread gets derailed into a serious discussion, and on which topic. ^__^
Prostitution is legal where I come from, but you can't solicit in public and you can't run a brothel (I'm foggy on what exactly constitutes a brothel, but I think we all get the point). The only concerns I have with prostitution are the spread of STDs and issues of coercion, such as human trafficking and issues with poverty and drugs (addicts turning to prostitution, etc). That can be largely solved with regulation, and I'm hopeful that we'll start having more of a national conversation about what regulation would look like.
I think that's about all I have to add at this point. I've learned to ignore WK when he gets like this.
~TWF
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Post by malice on Nov 15, 2010 18:14:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't bother going against prostitution. It's the world's oldest profession, and therefore older and much more formidable than me. It's kinda like trying to cure "the common cold".. It's no older than murder. We can't stop either of them, and both have proven, negative effects on individuals and groups. Yet I never hear the argument that, since we can't stop murder and it's always been around, perhaps we should take a permissive attitude toward it. Perhaps legalize and tax it? Hey, while we're at it... robbery has been around quite a while too... Robbery and Murder don't remotely resemble prostitution outside of the fact that they're illegal. The first two are acts where one person does something unlawful to another. Most prostitution is two people engaging in sexual acts because one of them is being paid somehow. Forced prostitution is different, like rape. Also, while I agree murder is wrong, I'm kinda neutral on robbery. I'd gladly steal from someone who has more money than they can spend in a lifetime if I thought I could get away with it. I wouldn't steal from someone below that "won't know its gone" position, because I do feel it's wrong enough to avoid. Of course I think most of us advocate murder as long as we feel righteous enough about it. That's been the case for several thousand years. We also advocate sex when we can get in on it with someone we like, and we like free stuff. The difference between right and wrong is usually the willingness of the other party, which is what again separates robbery and murder from prostitution.
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Post by raynorn on Nov 15, 2010 18:54:31 GMT -5
One of these days, when someone posts a really innocuous thread, I'm going to start a secret pool on the side where people can bet on how long it will take before the thread gets derailed into a serious discussion, and on which topic. ^__^ . . . LOL I can see the PMs already. Conversation about Elvis 6 Posts - Politics Christmas Gifts 3 Posts - Religion (DUH) Elves & Faries 6 Posts - Religion and homosexuality . . .
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 15, 2010 20:20:25 GMT -5
Nope. Elvis discussion = Lady Gaga and/or whether Elvis is overrated. I speak from experience here.
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Post by Brainstem on Nov 15, 2010 22:08:05 GMT -5
Elvis isn't overrated in his contribution to music, but he certainly is overrated in the sense that he was mediocre.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 3:43:01 GMT -5
What amazes me is that nobody on this board came out with the idea first. *cough*F-Bomb*cough* F-Bomb definitely thought of having sex with female X-Men WAY before this game came out... I don’t fantasize about having sex with comic book characters, I just had happened to have dated women who have reminded me of them. My ex fiancé was a red head that looked allot like Lauren Lee Smith from Mutant X. I was as heartbroken as I’ve ever been when we broke up, or probably more so. She was my first serious girlfriend. I’d had a couple before her, but she was actually the only one I seen, or thought I seen myself having a future with. Blah, smoke and mirrors. Now I'm just kind of seeing a girl I've been seeing on and off for a few years now, and focusing on my school. At the risk of sounding lame, but I actually am a bit of romantic at heart. Or at least I was before the whole engagement thing went south. I donno, it’s like that part of me that made my heart flutter when we kissed, or touched just sort of blew a fuse. I don’t feel a whole hell of allot these days, well not like I used too. That relationship totally f*cked up my head. Maybe things will get better for yours truly whenever he gets his degree, and a steady job again. It was mostly my fault because was a selfish prick, but I don't beleive in second chances. I'll just learn from my mistakes and try to do better in the future. I'm human, and I have to work through my flaws like everyone else. I don't mean too unload my problems but that was a huge part of the reason I was on my hiatus, first I lost my girl, then I lost my job. It just took me a while to get some direction back in my life, and get my head back on straight. So, sorry to disappoint, but I was either at a real strip club or studying whenever this site came out, lol. Elvis isn't overrated in his contribution to music, but he certainly is overrated in the sense that he was mediocre. Elvis wasn't the first to do what he did, but he was the first to get popular while doing it. He stole most of his music, which is genius. I actually live near Memphis, and go there every chance I can for the Beale Street Music Festival, and Memphis in May. My personal favorite moment in Memphis in May was when Kenny Wayne Shepherd was playing. There was like this bad ass storm, and he didn’t miss a note. Security ended up dragging him off the stage. Dude knows how to rock it out. My personal favorite guitar player is Stevie Ray Vaughn, and then probably Pat Travers. I actually got to meet Pat Travels, which was pretty damn cool. When you get to talent right there it goes to personal preference rather than skill. I really don’t know which one was better. The very best guitarist I ever heard was Chet Adkins. He played mainly country, but he could do things with a guitar that most people don’t dream of. I hate going to college because I don’t have much time to jam on my Fender much, here’s to Christmas Break coming up! Lots of partying and drinking for the F-Bomb. I’ve gotta make up for lost time. Anyways back to the topic of brothels and whorehouses. One summer yours truly was in Nashville working. It was an outside job that had to do with carpenter work, and it had to be at least 100 degree’s out. Every fifteen minutes you could hear an ice cream truck, then you would see a hooker walk by, and then you would see the ice cream truck drive by. I can see the dude getting busted for that be in court like “I swear judge I was getting two hundred dollars worth of ice cream.” Plus, they were totally selling drugs out of the ice cream trucks. I knew I has smelling pretty bad after a ways work outside in the sun tearing down walls, and re-building them, and I don’t even want to think about how nasty the hookers were after walking around all day. Memphis is worse though. There’s always a new whore house being busted with under aged immigrants or something every day. I was going to major in criminal justice and become a cop until a story ran about two cops picking up a fifteen year old prostitute while they were on duty and losing their badges. I mean sure I like to drink and party some time, but even I have my standards. That’s just when I realized that the heat was just as corrupt as the crooks. So, there’s not really a damn thing you could do about the crime rate. In hind sight I don't know how I didn't pick up on that sooner.
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Post by Brainstem on Nov 17, 2010 7:12:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by saying he stole music? If you mean he didn't write his own, then that's obvious. Most rockabilly music was based on people covering standards. This is one of the reasons the Beatles were so monumental; they actually wrote new stuff. Playing covers isn't theft at all, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 13:47:19 GMT -5
Nothing about Elvis was original. He stole his style of music, lyrics, and pretty much everything else from somebody else. Elvis was a great performer, and rock and roll wouldn't have been what it is without him, but he didn't really come up with many ideas on his own. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan, but I'm a fan who understands how show business works.
Sometimes Elvis would cover music that's true, but there were occasions where he stole them from other musicians. He also tried to have the Beatles deported. The King of Rock was a pretty shady character, and you have to be to survive in the music industry.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 17, 2010 13:50:34 GMT -5
and rock and roll wouldn't have been what it is without him This is the kind of statement that drives me crazy. Yes, it would have. If Elvis wasn't Elvis, someone else would have been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 14:01:41 GMT -5
And that Person would have been Jerry Lee Lewis, but the fact was it was Elvis Presley.
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Post by Brainstem on Nov 17, 2010 19:37:54 GMT -5
Well, the fact is, really, that we can't say whether or not it would be what it is today. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be, if only because his contributions were huge, regardless of who else was around. Still, Elvis's performances are what made him famous and are what made him marketable. Elvis was never considered the King for his unique contributions to music; he was considered the King because he made rock and roll mainstream.
Also, F-Bomb, if you haven't realized it, all music is stolen from everyone else. In the music biz, this isn't looked down upon at all. Give me some instances of Elvis stealing music that isn't just an example of him making music the way his contemporaries did, and I'll be more receptive to your point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 20:36:01 GMT -5
One example I can think of off the top of my head is Blue Suede Shoes. I actually knew Carl Perkins' wife when she was alive, for those of you who don't know Carl Perkins was the guy who actually wrote Blue Suede Shoes. Anyways, According to her Elvis straight up stole the song. There's also little Walker, and the list goes on.
True that's pretty common in the music industry, but elvis wasn't necicarly better than any of them. He justh appened to be the first one to get popular
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