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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 18:07:36 GMT -5
The definition you listed doesn't go into detail as to what constitutes "using" someone. I think that's where we have different perspectives on the same definition. For example, I don't see Xavier as "using" the X-Men, so much as he's recruiting them and working with them. I can live with that. The definition of pawn is specific but the term about using people isn't as clear cut. I do agree with that statement. There's also the detail of the X-Men, Cyclops specifically, throwing Xavier out of the X-Men. Pawns can't do that. It can and it does happen. There are several words that can describe such actions such as betrayal, treason, or in some cases even mutiny if you're at sea. Also, a cult is usually something religious, and I don't think the X-Men are a religious institution by any means. Key word Usually, because there were, and are cults that are based more around sociology than religion. I do not think the X-Men are a full blown cult, but they do have defined cult like characteristics that are cult like. They would be more like a social cult than a religious cult |
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Feb 14, 2011 18:12:21 GMT -5
Can't we all just agree to disagree?
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 14, 2011 18:17:15 GMT -5
Can't we all just agree to disagree? Sure but then we'll just argue about why we're disagreeing anyway, so we skip that step. |
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Feb 14, 2011 18:19:37 GMT -5
Way to ruin my peacekeeping moment. Yes that was a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 18:19:58 GMT -5
Can't we all just agree to disagree? Sure but then we'll just argue about why we're disagreeing anyway, so we skip that step. Yup, we fully understand that we disagree, but we're just pointing out the reasons why we disagree. It's just a friendly conversation. |
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 14, 2011 18:30:59 GMT -5
Way to ruin my peacekeeping moment. Yes that was a joke. Peace is for suckers.  |
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Post by OurLadyWar on Feb 14, 2011 21:55:49 GMT -5
I think, bi-annually, we should all find a central location, go there, make sure there's booze there, and probably just start talking and drinking and see where it goes.  |
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Post by Brainstem on Feb 14, 2011 22:00:21 GMT -5
I like the way you think.
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Post by Hypester on Feb 14, 2011 22:04:12 GMT -5
It can and it does happen. There are several words that can describe such actions such as betrayal, treason, or in some cases even mutiny if you're at sea. But in this fictional example, the argument, I assumed, is that the real decisive power that the other X-Men have always had is accounted for or otherwise controlled by the telepathic powers of Xavier. But if Xavier got kicked out, it basically proves that the X-Men were free moral agents at that point, and moreover, have always been. Cultish tendencies... yeah, but anything with a singular leader that's not mainstream can be given the same criticism, can't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 22:25:47 GMT -5
It can and it does happen. There are several words that can describe such actions such as betrayal, treason, or in some cases even mutiny if you're at sea. But in this fictional example, the argument, I assumed, is that the real decisive power that the other X-Men have always had is accounted for or otherwise controlled by the telepathic powers of Xavier. But if Xavier got kicked out, it basically proves that the X-Men were free moral agents at that point, and moreover, have always been. It means that as much as saying that any pawn wasn't a pawn when they were being used and then rebelled. In short, it just meant they weren't being pawns when they voted him off the Island, and most of the X-Men were just fallowing somebody else then anyway. |
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 14, 2011 22:27:55 GMT -5
That... is a totally invalid observation.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 22:37:11 GMT -5
Really, a worded "Nu-uh" lol. You just be tired from that 45 minutes of cardio today. I'm just teasing you man, but that's kind of disappointing coming from you. I mean, we have contrasting opinions, but I actually enjoy reading your perspective on things.
On a side not this is the entire conversation is invalid and irrelevant. What do any of Xavier's teachings matter in real life? They mean absolutely nothing because until I meet somebody who shoots lighting out of their *ss or some weird sh*t I don't care about the X-Men in real world situations.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 14, 2011 23:28:39 GMT -5
Actually, it was intended to be more or less a "nuh-uh" So, disappointing as it may have been, it apparently translated well even over the internet.
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Post by Black Sam on Feb 15, 2011 1:46:19 GMT -5
Way to ruin my peacekeeping moment. Yes that was a joke. Peace is for suckers. Peace was never an option, Wildknight... ;D |
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 15, 2011 7:31:29 GMT -5
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who realizes this...
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