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Post by Black Sam on May 12, 2013 19:50:42 GMT -5
My wife loves it. She also loves me. Logic therefore dictates, having demonstrated poor taste and judgement in marrying me, Doctor Who must also be horrible.
Thank me later.
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Post by WildKnight on May 12, 2013 19:52:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure that syllogism holds...
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Post by Black Sam on May 12, 2013 19:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by dorkknight23 on May 13, 2013 3:28:12 GMT -5
Seriously, watch it. It's usually quite good, and even when it doesn't it has a sort of journeyman's quality to it. My biggest issue with the recent Moffat-run stuff is more a lot of really clever ideas that get abandoned mid-episode with little fanfare so he can wax romantic about River Song (it'd be like if in NeXt I spent whole pages describing how much I'd want to marry Bea Wilson. I still sort of do, but that's irrelevant [I also may believe I sort of magick'd her into my life Grant Morrison style. But I can be kind of crazy sometimes, if you haven't noticed.])
And, the latest episode (written by Neil Gaiman!) "Nightmare in Silver" is actually extraordinary.
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Post by Dhark on May 13, 2013 4:20:15 GMT -5
Nightmare in Silver has VERY much redeemed this season for me. It's all felt.. disjointed. I feel like the Doctor isn't even behaving like the Doctor. Not an actor dig, but a scripting one (I'm OK with this actor). The Sonic Screw Driver has been a little too weapony for my tastes this season too.
Thus far it's been my least favorite season (I've only been watching since the relaunch with eccleston though), but it's also been the first one I've been watching on tv rather than all at once from the ipad (admittedly, shows tend to hold my interest better when I don't HAVE to wait a week+ for more episodes).
Then again, I always get crabby with 'new' Doctors... I'd only finally come around on DT... and Matt Smith seems rather sprung on us, and I'm very much not sold on Clara as being even remotely interesting/impossible (I liked her as the crazy Dalek, buuuut, yeah). Ship her off with Donna I say! Bring back ANY of the others. Except Ricky. Man was he annoying.
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Post by WildKnight on May 13, 2013 6:19:24 GMT -5
They are trying WAY too hard to make us like Clara. I actually find her downright obnoxious most of the time.
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Post by takewithfood on May 13, 2013 7:24:22 GMT -5
Doctor Who's best asset as a show is that there is nothing else quite like it - at least not to the same extent. Not even close. It's so willfully, delightfully campy, like the sort of stories that children would tell each other. Nothing has to make sense, it only has to be fun and bizarre and wonderful.
That said, I can't really stomach it anymore. I'm not a child, and I can't subsist on wonderment alone. I need more substance than Doctor Who provides, and these days I usually find myself struggling to get through a whole episode. I find shows like Adventure Time, with its shorter running time, are more digestible.
I think I'd get back into Who (I kinda fell out of the Matt Smith stuff in/around the first series) if they mixed things up a little more. I'm tired of these pretty female companions who we're informed are super awesome, yet don't quite stack up to expectations. I'm one of those people who would at least like to see a female doctor and a male companion, or something other than the "will they won't they/Ross/Rachel" flirting stuff that has been the norm since Rose broke the mold.
I always recommend that everyone at least check out a series, though. I'm partial to the 1st, 4th, 9th and 10th Doctors, but any season will do. I find that the first Doctor you see often becomes "your" Doctor, so it doesn't really matter which one it is. There's no right or wrong way to watch a show like this.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on May 13, 2013 7:30:19 GMT -5
Female Doctor. No.
I mean, it's going to happen, because people like you are going to keep on demanding it. but it's stupid, and when they do it, it'll be ballyhooed as an amazing step forward and everyone will have to pretend to love Doctor Chick because if you don't you're a chauvinist.
Personally, I'm tired of established characters having to become (something, anything else) just to prove we're changing it up.
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Post by Dionon on May 13, 2013 9:45:04 GMT -5
I find that the first Doctor you see often becomes "your" Doctor, so it doesn't really matter which one it is. There's no right or wrong way to watch a show like this. ~TWF Ironically, I didn't like the first Doctor I saw. Eccleson didnt' do it for me. He was good, don't get me wrong, but I liked David Tennant ALOT better. And Matt Smith really hasn't grown on me like he should. Don't get me wrong, I watch Doctor Who every chance I get, Though I haven't watched any of the current season. I will once it gets on Netflix as I don't have BBCAmerica in my cable package... At least I didn't KNOW I had it till just a few weeks ago. But yeah, my favorite doctor was David Tennant (Spelled wrong, but hell, I don't care.)
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Post by Brainstem on May 13, 2013 9:49:19 GMT -5
The only reason I'd like to see a female doctor, and the only reason it came to mind, is be wise Eleven mentioned it was possible. With the right woman, it could be fun.
And, TWF, surely you're only remembering the most recent companions? Rose was pretty but went through changes and we saw how badass she became, Martha started out instantly competent and rose to the challenge of being a companion quite well, and Donna was just all kinds of great, being headstrong and confident but, by the end, not unwilling to see reason when wrong. The problems started with Amy, I think. What I would like to see is a companion that doesn't handle bein a companion well. One that reacts as any human would to seeing the infinite nature of space, being thrown into war, and nearly killed on a regular basis. A companion whose life the Doctor has ruined would be great. There's no reason, after all, that Martha should be so well adjusted after all she went through.
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Post by WildKnight on May 13, 2013 10:27:26 GMT -5
They kindasorta touched on the whole "The Doctor is ruining our life" thing with Amy and Rory. Unfortunately instead of actually dealing with it substantively, they got out the happy brush and painted over it all (which tends to be my problem with the end of every Who storyline, but then I'm supposedly a pessimist so that should explain that)
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Post by Brainstem on May 13, 2013 11:05:54 GMT -5
If it's any consolation, I'm an optimist and agree with you! And, with regards to Rory and Amy, I don't know if it really counts? I haven't seen the end of their run, but I've heard enough about it and it seems like, generally, the Doctor is a nuisance, but more like an obnoxious neighbor (Steve Urkel!) than anything else. Hell, they were able to go back in time to live out long, happy lives together because Steven Moffat decided to break another rule for the Weeping Angels. Or, I guess, establish a new rule that makes all of the menace that went into their creation disappear further.
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Post by Brainstem on May 13, 2013 11:06:39 GMT -5
Martha should have some serious PTSD, is all I'm saying, not living happily ever after with Mickey.
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Post by Dhark on May 13, 2013 11:08:51 GMT -5
I liked the Ponds, and I know that puts me in a huge minority of Whovian clique... But whatever. Actually, I think it was them that finally brought me around on David as The Doctor.
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Post by Dhark on May 13, 2013 11:23:15 GMT -5
Martha should have some serious PTSD, is all I'm saying, not living happily ever after with Mickey. As per her appearance on Torchwood (at least, the episode I'm literally watching as I type), Martha isn't even really human anymore (genes mutated, presumedly by Tardis radiation).
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