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Post by Beacon on Aug 9, 2011 0:54:21 GMT -5
His teacher seemed to have some kind of matter, or earth manipulation though. Because she dug a lot of holes off-panel/screen? I saw more earth manipulation from Armstrong (especially in the first anime) and I don’t think he had any more of a Mastery of Earth (well, maybe in the first anime) than any other highly skilled Alchemist. It must have cost a lot, given the challenges he took. In addition to the obvious physical costs, he’s an unwitting pawn in a massive conspiracy. That limitation doesn’t appear to exist in the FMA world. They’ve expressly said (at least in the manga and the second anime) that the reason that “lead into gold” is taboo for those Alchemists is that it would cause massive economic problems. (Ed – being Ed – doesn’t care so he did it anyway) …and Ed does that kind of thing often enough that his arm could be a psy-weapon or a claw/blade but a Mastery feels weird. Ed beat Greed’s Ultimate Shield because he’s a genius who figured out the shield was made of lead and used a combination of fictional alchemy and real-world chemistry to neutralize it. (And because he didn’t need circles so he was able to adapt quickly) Technically speaking, Ed IS the circle so – as long as he can clap his hands – he doesn’t need one. If he’s, um, unarmed he needs to draw circles.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Aug 9, 2011 1:05:00 GMT -5
I thought the Ultimate Shield (Greed's power not Pride's.) was made out of carbon, not lead.
Edit:Hmm...I could have sworn that someone thought that the Ultimate Shield was Pride's ability. Eh, I am keeping that part here in case I was right but missed on my second try of finding it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 1:15:40 GMT -5
Ed didn't just grow a sword out of his metal arm. In his fight with scar he said that he was able to change the makeup of the kind of metal that his automail was. Like manipulating the ultimate shield it took understanding, and the power to do so.
I mainly think Ed's teacher could possibly have an earth mastery because she makes all kinds of crap come out of the ground.
True Armstrong was impressive. I like how he and Mustang used the combination where Armstrong used a hallow earth projectile, and Mustang heated the air in it causing it to explode.
Power to manipulate metal on that level could easily call under a mastery.
I'm not sure if it was greed, or pride now that I think of it. It's been like five years since I've seen the show.
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Post by Beacon on Aug 11, 2011 1:27:47 GMT -5
Greed had the Ultimate Shield (which WAS made of carbon but I mistakenly typed “lead” because I was still thinking about the lead/gold discussion).
King Bradley has the Ultimate Eye. Which Sin he represents depends of which series we’re talking about. In the first anime he’s Pride and in the second (and the original manga) he’s Wrath*.
* In the first anime Wrath is the dead son of Izumi Curtis (Ed and Al’s Alchemy teacher) and in the second anime (and the original manga) Pride is Selim Bradley.
Actually that raises another point; the rules are subtly different depending on which version of FMA we’re talking about. For example, the first anime showed us a base skill set (Alchemy) where some individuals had a specialty. The second one had that too but they also had a slightly different version of the base skill set (Alkahestry) used by some of the foreigners. Ultimately a discussion over who has what Action depends on which series we’re talking about and it will just get confusing.
(Also I’m feeling a little guilty about us hijacking the MoM thread. We should all go back to talking about how awesome Rob’s MoM is. He loves that)
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Aug 11, 2011 1:33:02 GMT -5
First anime was happening at the same time of the manga, and the creator of the manga pretty much gave them permission to not stay true to the manga. The second anime stayed more true to the manga.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 1:57:45 GMT -5
I wonder what a Bradly character sheet would look like. It seems like if it were in d20 rules every hit would be a critical. I think Bradly would have a massive luck modifier tied to combat, and a high general knowledge to tell weaknesses.
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Post by shenron on Aug 21, 2011 21:29:38 GMT -5
Now, I want to build a Rock Star super hero! that is awesome!
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 22, 2011 0:08:54 GMT -5
Ha, I always muse the idea of a superhero team that's also a rock band, with each member of the band's powers reflecting that instrument's role in the group.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 2:40:02 GMT -5
I think Marvel made a Kiss cartoon doing something like that. I can't remember if it was a comic, cartoon, or both.
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Post by Lord_Amadeus_Rahl on Nov 5, 2014 14:07:20 GMT -5
Cool idea. but if you have create and manipulate, what's to stop you from creating an unlimited supply of vibranium od adamantium? it seems game breaking to me. "Oh, i use my mastery to create a suit of vibranium/adamantium armor that moves perfectly with me." that person is now almost un-freakin-killlable. its awesome, yes, but a bit broken.
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Post by Brainstem on Nov 8, 2014 0:35:20 GMT -5
You absolutely could, but you'd need Unlimited Create/Manipulate and/or the GM would be absolutely justified in tacking on an extra CL or two for increased scope of your power. And remember, even if you use your Transformation to add Toughness, you're still only looking at as much Defense as your Modifiers + Actions. Even Ultron, made of adamantium, has a finite Toughness.
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Post by Lord_Amadeus_Rahl on Nov 17, 2014 19:03:35 GMT -5
Ok. I agree with the cost level increase. But, Ultron was never made of adamantium. This would be impossible because, even as a machine with near perfect accuracy, one could never make adamantium into something that complex. The TINIEST mistake, and everything you made is now useless, as adamantium, once hardened, can never be reforged. Th only time it has been shown to be effected is by a writer makig a point/mistake, or by cosmic level entities, which tony stark, or ultron, is not. Also, according to the books, adamantium is literally off the scale in hardness, with the exception of Secodary adamantium, which is bay far the weakest of the 4 typ
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Post by Brainstem on Nov 18, 2014 0:17:23 GMT -5
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