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Post by Black Sam on Nov 29, 2011 0:40:32 GMT -5
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Post by Jet on Nov 29, 2011 2:29:13 GMT -5
On one hand- YAY, Booster Gold in TV once again ^^ On the other- wait, how is Booster Gold concept (janitor from future steals a superhero PA, goes to past and tries to become famous by being attention, eventually learning how to be a real hero, like Superman and others) going to work when there arent any other heroes around? Becouse when it comes to live action, there are NEVER any other heroes, unless they're introduced in later episodes.
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Post by Beacon on Nov 29, 2011 3:28:44 GMT -5
Yeah, shared universes are a tricky thing. Sometimes a property is better off not being part of the larger world (I feel that the X-Men are better OUTSIDE the Marvel Universe) and sometimes they require it (Avengers are probably the most obvious example but things like the rumored Venom or Silver Surfer movies shouldn’t be allowed to exist without Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four).
Booster Gold’s origin is dependent on him stealing tech used by a bunch of Superman fanboys in the distant future. He’s best known for being on the “Goofy” Justice League where he’s best friends with another superhero. Take away the DCU and Booster Gold is in danger of becoming just another time travel story in the same way that the Punisher movies are generic revenge stories.
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Post by roxolid on Nov 29, 2011 5:32:55 GMT -5
Syfy (or scifi as was) has a crappy track record dotted with the odd success. Anyone remember Flash Gordon? I remember half of the first episode, but turned off after that.
Anticipation levels? 2/10, sadly ...
Booster Gold wasn't that great on his own if I recall. When he and Blue Beetle were in the JLI it made the book worth buying for me (as well as all the facepalming Batman and Martian Manhunter had to do)
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 29, 2011 7:05:37 GMT -5
I'm a huge fan of Booster Gold, so I have to have high hopes for this by default. That said, I share pretty much every concern that's been stated here... Booster's concept doesn't work well if there aren't other heroes, live-action in general (and SyFy in particular) having crappy track records, etc.
On a related note, another thing Beacon and I agree on; the X-Men are much better when they're not intertwined with the rest of the Marvel Universe. This must be backwards day or something.
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Post by Hypester on Nov 29, 2011 11:38:16 GMT -5
So... when does Ted Kord show up. That's my only question.
That said, I think Booster works fine, so long as there are superheroes who have existed in the future, it's perfectly feasible, and certainly more practical, for Booster to go back in time to before superheroes emerged. It actually could be a very fun way to explore some of these guys' origins. If it's his show, there's no reason for him to not be a catalyst in the entire superhero movement.
Ted Kord doesn't necessarily have to be a superhero at first, imho, for their relationship to work. Neither does it have to be Superman facepalming. Ted, Skeets and other supporting cast are quite capable of facepalming, or the narrative equivalent.
And to just be totally disagreeable, "Siffee" has a mostly positive track record, for every Flash Gordon and Caprica there's a StarGate series, and a Eureka or an Alphas or Sanctuary. I'm pretty sure they're going 2:1 for good vs bad at this point. Even if its only an average outing for them, I'll take two seasons of Booster Gold quite happily.
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Post by Beacon on Nov 29, 2011 11:54:32 GMT -5
Eureka was great. However they did such a terrible job airing the show consistently that I gave up on it because I couldn’t follow it anymore.
They did the same thing when I watched Farscape and Sliders as a kid.
I’ve missed whole seasons of Dr. Who (is that still even on SyFy?) because I didn’t know they were airing.
Even if live action Booster Gold manages to be good, the network will kill it with their neglect.
PS: Ted Kord HAS to be a superhero. This is a guy who was given a magic artifact that gives you powers, discovered that it DOESN’T WORK (for him anyway), and became a superhero anyway. If you just make Ted the civilian tech guy sidekick then you’re missing the point.
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Post by Black Sam on Nov 29, 2011 16:09:39 GMT -5
And to just be totally disagreeable, "Siffee" has a mostly positive track record, for every Flash Gordon and Caprica there's a StarGate series, and a Eureka or an Alphas or Sanctuary. I'm pretty sure they're going 2:1 for good vs bad at this point. And just to be totally disagreeable about your disagreement...I actually don't like any of those shows. I've heard good things about Eureka, to be fair, but I've lost all interest in anything put out by Siffee anymore.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 29, 2011 16:33:08 GMT -5
there's a StarGate series, and a Eureka or an Alphas or Sanctuary. Uh... and? StarGate had two good series and one crappy one, Eureka is amusing but pretty bland, Alphas is terrible, and Sanctuary has about 4 good episodes a season and the rest are complete throw-aways. That's not exactly an overwhelming success rate.
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Post by takewithfood on Nov 29, 2011 16:47:18 GMT -5
I never could get into Eureka beyond a mild crush on Erica Cerra, but I actually enjoy Warehouse 13 (which exists in the Eurekaverse). It's also amusing and campy, but I find it much more endearing.
I just wanted to say that.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 29, 2011 16:53:27 GMT -5
I never could get into Eureka beyond a mild crush on Erica Cerra, but I actually enjoy Warehouse 13 (which exists in the Eurekaverse). It's also amusing and campy, but I find it much more endearing. I just wanted to say that. ~TWF And I'm just the opposite... I enjoy Eureka, but find Warehouse to vary between boring and obnoxious. Neither here nor there, really, just a matter of personal taste. I couldn't say for certain, but I think what Warehouse 13 lacks that I want in a show is a male who isn't a pansified wuss. Warehouse's primary male lead is faux-manly, with all of his Mommy issues.
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Post by Hypester on Nov 29, 2011 17:18:26 GMT -5
^And I find SGU much more preferable to the previous series, and am very sure that Alphas has some of the best written psychology I've seen. It's awesome for that, if nothing else. But I wasn't really pulling examples for personal preference, or to overwhelm with uberness, just to point out that Flash Gordon is a far outlier as far as SyFy's performance. Going by this discussion, they seem to produce a lot of 'love it or hate it' content, which, in some ways, is the point of the channel in the first place. PS: Ted Kord HAS to be a superhero. This is a guy who was given a magic artifact that gives you powers, discovered that it DOESN’T WORK (for him anyway), and became a superhero anyway. If you just make Ted the civilian tech guy sidekick then you’re missing the point. That he is a self made hero? I don't think he needs a costume or a code name to do that, at least not at first. Just because he's a great character doesn't mean he needs the spotlight to shine. If anything, Ted Kord is ideal to be the civillian techie sidekick AND still be kick-butt.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 29, 2011 17:39:44 GMT -5
just to point out that Flash Gordon is a far outlier as far as SyFy's performance. Given. Furthermore, there has to be someone who liked Flash Gordon. I don't personally know them, but they must exist... I agree with this. Ted Kord could be in the show in a very solid role, without being a "super hero" in the traditional sense (I don't know that I'd want him reduced to a sidekick, but I don't know that Hypester really meant "sidekick" there, either... I think he meant more like "support character") That said, I still don't think the show will be very good ;D
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Post by Hypester on Nov 29, 2011 18:11:32 GMT -5
^Yeah, not sidekick in the sense of tagalong, but in the sense that his story is there to support Booster's. At first, I'm sure he'd be tech support and the calm rational persona to balance out Booster's dramatic antics. Count on Skeets for snark. Probably an original character for the female interest, cameo Rip Hunter for intrigue, put together the JLI over the life of the show. Sounds like a winner. Unconventional solutions to superheroics (Ala MIB unconventional alien solutions) would be a nice hallmark. Of course, with all the time paradoxes, who has time to be creative?
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Post by Beacon on Nov 30, 2011 0:01:35 GMT -5
If anyone was anyone’s sidekick in the JLI days then Mike was Ted’s sidekick. It took Beetle dying for Booster to take superheroing seriously.
And my point about Ted is that his origin flies in the face of the standard legacy hero formula (and that’s awesome). He became a superhero in spite of not getting anything useful from the previous guy. Instead he reinvented what the Blue Beetle was; emphasis on “invented”. His inventions are so great that Batman bought his company just so Bats could play with his toys.
If it sounds like I’d rather have a Blue Beetle series than a Booster Gold series, well, that’s because it’s true. I love both characters but Ted is less reliant on the extended universe. Plus, while TV tends to handle live action superheroes poorly, TV ALWAYS messes up time travel.
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