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Post by WildKnight on Jun 4, 2009 20:40:33 GMT -5
Uh... normal humans are NOT limited to AN 1 & 2. You're using a false example. Those are COMMON people... thugs and the like.
Daredevil is a normal human (super vision notwithstanding). Punisher is a normal human. Both have ANs well in excess of 1 or 2.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 4, 2009 20:45:48 GMT -5
Besides, comic books are inconsistent. Incredibly inconsistent. I'm not in favour of writing inconsistencies into the rules. GMs are welcome to fudge things wherever they like, as they see fit, but when it comes to writing rules, they have to be consistent or nothing will ever work.
Honestly, I can't be arsed to fiddle with the rules and kick KISS out the back door just so that Cyclops can jump 25 feet. (Besides, dude is drawn pretty buff these days. He's certainly drawn at Str 3. Then again, so is Magneto..)
~TWF
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Post by Dionon on Jun 4, 2009 20:46:02 GMT -5
Uh... actually those Normal People CADs include Police Officers, who are highly trained and are expected to do things that honestly I know I couldn't do.
My brother was a police officer for a while, and a marine, I remember some of the things he was required to do to gain entry... If that's 2's, then damn.
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Post by Dionon on Jun 4, 2009 20:46:38 GMT -5
Oh... and I already surrendered this point...
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 4, 2009 20:49:11 GMT -5
The average American police officer can discharge his firearm until the clip is empty at a range of 15 feet and never score a kill shot, and is at least 15 pounds overweight.
Color me unimpressed.
(Marines, on the other hand...)
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 5, 2009 0:01:49 GMT -5
I used to walk past a hospital on my way to work every morning, and often I saw this female cop around the emergency doors. Usually she'd be sort of standing guard or sort of on patrol, I guess.. never gave it much thought. Sometimes I'd consider saying hello. She was really cute in a petite sort of way.
Then one day I'm walking to work like usual and I happen to glance at the hospital doors to see if she was on duty - and I spot her pretty much single-handedly dragging a guy kicking and screaming out of the hospital. This guy was easily three times her size and was throwing a full-on fit. I will happily testify to her patience, as she wrestled with that dude longer than I would have, but when he finally landed a lucky blow to her chin, she administered the most thorough whooping of an ass that I have ever seen. Damn if that guy didn't have it coming, and yet I still felt embarrassed on his behalf.
I guess my point is that cops come in all shapes and sizes, and even then, those shapes and sizes don't always mean what you think they mean.
However, comic book cops are almost universally as WK described them. Cops are not portrayed in a flattering light in most media, really.
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Aaaanyway, that was tangential, sorry. I can't resist telling the story about the cute-lady-cop-ass-whuppin'.
I'm definitely curious to see how the movement action stuff works out. In my thought process it started as a way to explain how Unstoppable works: do you have to use Speed as an action in conjunction? If you just use Unstoppable, do you have to spend stones for velocity as you do with most other Actions? What's your max speed - are you faster while Unstoppabling, to totally invent a word? The mechanic just seemed to make sense when I thought it up. Applying it elsewhere also seemed natural.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 5, 2009 6:31:46 GMT -5
I've got great respect for Police Officers... but because of the risks they undertake for relatively little reward, and even less respect. Not because of their skills.
I'm not making this stuff up, take a look at the statistics. The average American police officer couldn't qualify to own the pistol he or she carries if they were a civilian, is overweight by around 15 pounds, and makes fewer arrests than 25 years ago, despite the crime rate going up.
Don't get me wrong... with the politics that have crept in to stop them from doing their job without fear of being made the villain themselves, massive increases in regulations, and so on, I feel for cops. But numbers rarely lie, and the competence of the skill of your average police officer isn't worth crowing about.
Except in pursuit driving. For some reason, they have to train meticulously in that, and re-certify more often than they do with their firearms.
The Police Pursuit Driving course in Detroit is like a vehicle slalom... I wouldn't make it 8 feet without running over a little orange person on my bicycle, much less a big honkin' cop car at 65 MPH.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 5, 2009 10:11:25 GMT -5
I've always wanted to be in a good vehicle chase in a MURPG game, but characters at 40+ stones tend to have their own awesome movement rates, so it never comes up, heh.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 5, 2009 10:26:15 GMT -5
I think vehicle chases tend to suck in RPGs in general, because they tend to involve the driver character doing his thing and everyone else sitting around waiting.
Star Wars Saga Edition and a game called SpyCraft both made long strides in involving other PCs in vehicle combat, at least.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 5, 2009 10:55:31 GMT -5
What we need is the kind of chase where everyone who isn't driving is leaning out a window shooting at something. ^__^
Some day I might run the Hunter game I've always wanted to run. While MURPG doesn't support it that well, I sometimes feel the need for a 'Badass Normals' game.
~TWF
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Post by alanee on Jun 5, 2009 11:19:15 GMT -5
What we need is the kind of chase where everyone who isn't driving is leaning out a window shooting at something. ^__^ Matrix
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 5, 2009 11:33:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I've tried and tried to run a game of all normals, and, as you point out... MURPG just doesn't support it well.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 5, 2009 12:53:46 GMT -5
What do you guys think about Transform Self By Touch? I'm thinking of just removing it and directing people to Metamorphosis; perhaps I can add a -1 CL option to Metamorphosis requiring you to touch whatever it is you transform into?
And what about Transform Other By Touch? I've always thought it was a little on the overpowered and frankly boring side. Is this worth keeping? In most cases it isn't something I would allow in a game.
EDIT: Oh, and I'm also considering writing an option for Teleportation that lets you use it as an attack - a little bit like the phase attack option. I'm under the impression that some teleporting characters have the ability to teleport parts of their opponents away. Is that accurate?
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 5, 2009 13:22:19 GMT -5
Transform Self by Touch is actually okay as its written, the problem is that as written it doesn't represent the comics well. Its balanced and simple, but it doesn't take comic precedent into account well, because Crusher Creel, the pre-eminent character for using this power, grows stronger when he takes on material forms, not just more resistant to damage.
Transform Others needs, at very least, some kind of element that forces it to do damage rather than act as an instant "kill."
Teleport as an attack is fine by me, but it should cost more rather than counting as a standard element of teleportation, which already costs arguably too little for as good as it is (though its limited to some degree if common sense is applied)
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Post by Neros on Jun 5, 2009 14:10:23 GMT -5
Transform self by touch is more or less good as is, however its very badly written and would need allot of examples.. But I could easily see it as a option for metamorphosis since they in a sense work the same way... Except that you just touch someone and become the element.. But we can then just conclude that Absorbtion Man has it as a modifier instead of an action Transform others... Agreed with Wildknight.. For teleport.. Never seen someone in marvel teleport parts an opponent away..
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