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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2019 19:10:57 GMT -5
Interesting to get a different view point so hope you don't mind the discussion. I could name a number of marvel characters who died simply because they came across someone too powerful Copycat with Sabretooth, Psylocke with Vargas and so on. From what i've seen the dc 'super' heroes are very powerful. From a naritive perspective it is often more surprising that there is something that can challenge them than that they are able to overcome the challenges they face. I personally find this narritively boring. Don't misunderstand me, this is not just dc. Marvel is guilty of creating uber characters too. Dr Strange being a really good example. He is, or at least was before he got nerfed (and arguably possibly still is) way too powerful to hold my interest. I'd love to hear what you enjoy about superman (etc). I really can't respond to your perception of DC's comics, since its a perception I don't share. I see it as a sadly common misconception, but in my experience, it hasn't been reflected in the actual comic books since Crisis on Infinite Earths, more than 30 years ago. The "DC is about power, Marvel is about characters" trope was a silver age thing. DC and Marvel basically use the same three act structure for virtually all of their stories. In act one, the big bad of the story shows up and bests the heroes, in act two the heroes lick their wounds and deal with whatever caused them to lose in the first place, and in act three the heroes triumph. Both of them rely heavily on the trope of "Worfing" (or simply removing via plot convenience) the character most appropriate to resolving the problem easily (i.e. if its a physical threat, Superman or Thor is smacked down by the big bad, if its a mental thing Batman is outwitted or the enemy tech is beyond even Stark) in the first act, and both companies lean equally heavy on the "spirited rally" for the third act. Superman is not the guy you're describing. Superman is the most "everyman" of DC's top tier characters. He's a guy from Kansas with a blue collar work ethic and a very down-to-earth attitude. He long ago learned that he can't beat every enemy, save every victim, or be right about every conflict. He gets beaten up. A lot. But again, that's not really the point, because the best Superman stories are about testing Superman's humanity. Batman himself said that Superman is "the most human of us all" and being human comes with emotional weaknesses and uncertainties. A great Superman story is about the things his powers CAN'T do... Which I would argue is EXACTLY the same trait that makes Spider-Man so compelling.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on May 7, 2019 19:17:12 GMT -5
Interesting to get a different view point so hope you don't mind the discussion. I could name a number of marvel characters who died simply because they came across someone too powerful Copycat with Sabretooth, Psylocke with Vargas and so on. From what i've seen the dc 'super' heroes are very powerful. From a naritive perspective it is often more surprising that there is something that can challenge them than that they are able to overcome the challenges they face. I personally find this narritively boring. Don't misunderstand me, this is not just dc. Marvel is guilty of creating uber characters too. Dr Strange being a really good example. He is, or at least was before he got nerfed (and arguably possibly still is) way too powerful to hold my interest. I'd love to hear what you enjoy about superman (etc). I really can't respond to your perception of DC's comics, since its a perception I don't share. I see it as a sadly common misconception, but in my experience, it hasn't been reflected in the actual comic books since Crisis on Infinite Earths, more than 30 years ago. The "DC is about power, Marvel is about characters" trope was a silver age thing. DC and Marvel basically use the same three act structure for virtually all of their stories. In act one, the big bad of the story shows up and bests the heroes, in act two the heroes lick their wounds and deal with whatever caused them to lose in the first place, and in act three the heroes triumph. Both of them rely heavily on the trope of "Worfing" (or simply removing via plot convenience) the character most appropriate to resolving the problem easily (i.e. if its a physical threat, Superman or Thor is smacked down by the big bad, if its a mental thing Batman is outwitted or the enemy tech is beyond even Stark) in the first act, and both companies lean equally heavy on the "spirited rally" for the third act. Superman is not the guy you're describing. Superman is the most "everyman" of DC's top tier characters. He's a guy from Kansas with a blue collar work ethic and a very down-to-earth attitude. He long ago learned that he can't beat every enemy, save every victim, or be right about every conflict. He gets beaten up. A lot. But again, that's not really the point, because the best Superman stories are about testing Superman's humanity. Batman himself said that Superman is "the most human of us all" and being human comes with emotional weaknesses and uncertainties. A great Superman story is about the things his powers CAN'T do... Which I would argue is EXACTLY the same trait that makes Spider-Man so compelling. So you're saying this isn't just some dumb sketch and is closer to the source material than we thought?
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2019 20:20:18 GMT -5
I really can't respond to your perception of DC's comics, since its a perception I don't share. I see it as a sadly common misconception, but in my experience, it hasn't been reflected in the actual comic books since Crisis on Infinite Earths, more than 30 years ago. The "DC is about power, Marvel is about characters" trope was a silver age thing. DC and Marvel basically use the same three act structure for virtually all of their stories. In act one, the big bad of the story shows up and bests the heroes, in act two the heroes lick their wounds and deal with whatever caused them to lose in the first place, and in act three the heroes triumph. Both of them rely heavily on the trope of "Worfing" (or simply removing via plot convenience) the character most appropriate to resolving the problem easily (i.e. if its a physical threat, Superman or Thor is smacked down by the big bad, if its a mental thing Batman is outwitted or the enemy tech is beyond even Stark) in the first act, and both companies lean equally heavy on the "spirited rally" for the third act. Superman is not the guy you're describing. Superman is the most "everyman" of DC's top tier characters. He's a guy from Kansas with a blue collar work ethic and a very down-to-earth attitude. He long ago learned that he can't beat every enemy, save every victim, or be right about every conflict. He gets beaten up. A lot. But again, that's not really the point, because the best Superman stories are about testing Superman's humanity. Batman himself said that Superman is "the most human of us all" and being human comes with emotional weaknesses and uncertainties. A great Superman story is about the things his powers CAN'T do... Which I would argue is EXACTLY the same trait that makes Spider-Man so compelling. So you're saying this isn't just some dumb sketch and is closer to the source material than we thought? Yes.
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Post by shenron on May 7, 2019 21:00:41 GMT -5
I think it would be great to play an Avatatar the last airbender game. But set in the Legend of Korro era.
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Post by Janus on May 8, 2019 9:40:59 GMT -5
I really can't respond to your perception of DC's comics, since its a perception I don't share. I see it as a sadly common misconception, but in my experience, it hasn't been reflected in the actual comic books since Crisis on Infinite Earths, more than 30 years ago. The "DC is about power, Marvel is about characters" trope was a silver age thing. DC and Marvel basically use the same three act structure for virtually all of their stories. In act one, the big bad of the story shows up and bests the heroes, in act two the heroes lick their wounds and deal with whatever caused them to lose in the first place, and in act three the heroes triumph. Both of them rely heavily on the trope of "Worfing" (or simply removing via plot convenience) the character most appropriate to resolving the problem easily (i.e. if its a physical threat, Superman or Thor is smacked down by the big bad, if its a mental thing Batman is outwitted or the enemy tech is beyond even Stark) in the first act, and both companies lean equally heavy on the "spirited rally" for the third act. Superman is not the guy you're describing. Superman is the most "everyman" of DC's top tier characters. He's a guy from Kansas with a blue collar work ethic and a very down-to-earth attitude. He long ago learned that he can't beat every enemy, save every victim, or be right about every conflict. He gets beaten up. A lot. But again, that's not really the point, because the best Superman stories are about testing Superman's humanity. Batman himself said that Superman is "the most human of us all" and being human comes with emotional weaknesses and uncertainties. A great Superman story is about the things his powers CAN'T do... Which I would argue is EXACTLY the same trait that makes Spider-Man so compelling. Ok, now Spiderman is a character I've never really gotten into. That said the Spiderman game that came out recent did make me question whether I was judging too quickly as I really enjoyed the game. What would be your top 3 Superman (or Indeed Spiderman) stories? I have a habit of just buying trades these days so I can go though a complete story.
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Post by shenron on May 8, 2019 10:47:37 GMT -5
If you are looking for an amazing Spider-Man story I would suggest Ultimate Spiderman. The original run. It is written by Bendis and just amazing even outside of it being a Spiderman story - solid writing all around.
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Post by WildKnight on May 8, 2019 11:57:55 GMT -5
If you are looking for an amazing Spider-Man story I would suggest Ultimate Spiderman. The original run. It is written by Bendis and just amazing even outside of it being a Spiderman story - solid writing all around. I liked it, but it wouldn't be on the list of great Spider-Man story arcs for me, just because its not really about Spider-Man, its about a re-imagining of Spider-Man. Personally I really liked Superior Spider-Man, but that sort of suffers from the same problem; its only tangentally about Peter Parker (though I'd argue that it reveals a lot more about Peter as a person than some other Spider-Man arcs). In no particular order... Maximum Carnage Best of Enemies the original "Venom" arc The Night Gwen Stacy Died Civil War (yes its a huge arc and it has relatively little Spider-Man, but I loved the role he played there) Pretty much anything involving Venom from the time Eddie Brock got the suit until they transitioned him away from straight-up villain and into more anti-hero territory
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Post by shenron on May 8, 2019 14:07:50 GMT -5
If you are looking for an amazing Spider-Man story I would suggest Ultimate Spiderman. The original run. It is written by Bendis and just amazing even outside of it being a Spiderman story - solid writing all around. I liked it, but it wouldn't be on the list of great Spider-Man story arcs for me, just because its not really about Spider-Man, its about a re-imagining of Spider-Man. Personally I really liked Superior Spider-Man, but that sort of suffers from the same problem; its only tangentally about Peter Parker (though I'd argue that it reveals a lot more about Peter as a person than some other Spider-Man arcs). In no particular order... Maximum Carnage Best of Enemies the original "Venom" arc The Night Gwen Stacy Died Civil War (yes its a huge arc and it has relatively little Spider-Man, but I loved the role he played there) Pretty much anything involving Venom from the time Eddie Brock got the suit until they transitioned him away from straight-up villain and into more anti-hero territory Those are good choices. My first introduction to spiderman was Maximum Carnage
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Post by Dhark on May 11, 2019 17:48:16 GMT -5
I think it would be great to play an Avatatar the last airbender game. But set in the Legend of Korro era. Bumpy bump bump bump!
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Post by mcr on Jan 16, 2020 1:08:16 GMT -5
Semi regular wish to write for Kara Zor El.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Feb 6, 2020 20:53:18 GMT -5
Is there anyone running or thinking of running a game where I could possibly play as Mimic? (The 616 version not the Exiles version.)
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Post by Ricochet on Feb 27, 2020 17:38:51 GMT -5
This is just a silly thought that entered my mind and won't shut up, so now I'm going to annoy all of you with it.
Avengers of Latveria.
There! I said it. It's out of my head and I can go to bed now.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Feb 27, 2020 19:45:52 GMT -5
Question: If I wanted to do a mass crossover game using MSH rules would anyone be interested in playing it at least as a one-shot?
I feel like I'd have more fun rolling dice than measuring stone counts against each other... especially since the game I run now has become so ridiculous I gave up on even trying to match stones for stones years ago.
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Post by lilithsboy on Feb 28, 2020 22:20:37 GMT -5
I would like to try that sure
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Post by mcr on May 14, 2020 20:36:47 GMT -5
Any newish games with any openings? With sheltering likely to extend to July, looking for something newish to join or start.
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