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Post by takewithfood on Apr 13, 2015 12:00:56 GMT -5
The darkness and grit are not high on the list of selling points for me. And I think it serves this story better than it did the Nolan movies, anyway, and they just made better use of it. The darkess isn't in the mood so much as it is in the theme and story, which is where it belongs. I can't say much else without getting into spoilers, but I hope it doesn't turn you off the show entirely. It gets better after the first episode.
~TWF
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Post by Brainstem on Apr 13, 2015 15:06:37 GMT -5
It's so hard not to keep binging this at my own pace!
Also, it is very violent and I've compared it a lot to Batman in my mind, but I don't think it's a bad thing. The episodes create a very specific style and the violence (from what I've seen so far) is intense, but well paced so you get enough breathers within a single episode. There were moments where it felt like it was being "R rated" just because, but it mostly felt pretty natural.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 15:46:38 GMT -5
It's so hard not to keep binging this at my own pace! Also, it is very violent and I've compared it a lot to Batman in my mind, but I don't think it's a bad thing. The episodes create a very specific style and the violence (from what I've seen so far) is intense, but well paced so you get enough breathers within a single episode. There were moments where it felt like it was being "R rated" just because, but it mostly felt pretty natural. I couldn't care less if its R Rated. I care if its like Batman. Those Nolan films are still amongst the biggest insults to my intelligence that I've ever suffered through. "Dark" and "gritty" were consistently used as smokescreens justifying ridiculous plot holes and terrible dialogue. Any time a character's primary motivation seems to fluctuate wildly from scene to scene and the audience can walk away with multiple entirely different, well-reasoned positions as to what the same character was intending to accomplish and why, I feel like maybe there should be less sex and violence and more character development, just for giggles. ... at least Marion Cotillard isn't in Daredevil though.
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Post by Brainstem on Apr 13, 2015 15:53:00 GMT -5
I mean "Batman" like I picture the character in my head. He's terrifyingly intelligent, has some serious moral and ethical dilemmas due to a hardlined, if contradictory, perception of justice, and gets involved in high-stakes, but street-level, conflicts. It's not Nolan Batman, but still seems like "Batman."
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 15:55:48 GMT -5
I mean "Batman" like I picture the character in my head. He's terrifyingly intelligent, has some serious moral and ethical dilemmas due to a hardlined, if contradictory, perception of justice, and gets involved in high-stakes, but street-level, conflicts. It's not Nolan Batman, but still seems like "Batman." Ohhhh, I thought you meant the Nolan films. My bad 8) I think its virtually impossible not to compare Daredevil to Batman, on some level. If nothing else, like you said... they've both got a very narcissistic view of "justice."
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Post by Brainstem on Apr 13, 2015 16:02:11 GMT -5
I mean "Batman" like I picture the character in my head. He's terrifyingly intelligent, has some serious moral and ethical dilemmas due to a hardlined, if contradictory, perception of justice, and gets involved in high-stakes, but street-level, conflicts. It's not Nolan Batman, but still seems like "Batman." Ohhhh, I thought you meant the Nolan films. My bad 8) I think its virtually impossible not to compare Daredevil to Batman, on some level. If nothing else, like you said... they've both got a very narcissistic view of "justice." Definitely; they track a lot of the same hero tropes. I'm really eager to see how DD develops as a hero, since he's definitely thrown into something way over his head. Since he's so moral, I'm curious to see how, or if, his approach to justice changes. He's in for the long term, so something has to happen.
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Post by Brainstem on Apr 13, 2015 16:14:07 GMT -5
He just said "I need to be the man this city needs." Damn it.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 16:41:27 GMT -5
He just said "I need to be the man this city needs." Damn it.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 16:55:09 GMT -5
In retrospect, they had Ollie say virtually the same thing on Arrow, and I like Arrow.
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Post by Brainstem on Apr 13, 2015 17:00:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean... it'ss a great line that sums up this type of hero. Also, because I'm a terrible nerd, five episodes in, what "alignment" would you say Matt Murdock is? I'm saying Chaotic Neutral.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 17:04:12 GMT -5
I'd have to get to 5 episodes in to answer that 8)
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Post by roxolid on Apr 13, 2015 17:07:03 GMT -5
Keep at it. I'm surprised Marvel green lighted it as it's so far removed from the the 4 colour Avengers stuff and more what I imagine the Frank Miller run on Daredevil was (which I never read but heard about). Grim gritty, shades of grey as opposed to usual comics stuff. Am up to episode 4 and I really like it. Even the wife who would normally not want to watch the bone crunching violence is liking it.
I'm a fan of the Watchmen movie and whilst the violence isn't as over the top as that, it ain't far off and it suits this version of DD. I wouldn't expect to see him turn up in the Marvel Movie universe for instance and I'm happier for it.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 17:15:37 GMT -5
Keep at it. I'm surprised Marvel green lighted it as it's so far removed from the the 4 colour Avengers stuff and more what I imagine the Frank Miller run on Daredevil was (which I never read but heard about). Grim gritty, shades of grey as opposed to usual comics stuff. So its crap, is what you're saying.
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Post by roxolid on Apr 13, 2015 17:27:02 GMT -5
No, the opposite It's a very adult take on superheroes, and more like a hard hitting crime show than someone dancing round in tights and beating up bad guys to cart them off to the nick. Keep at it. You'll like it. I think.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 13, 2015 18:37:37 GMT -5
No, the opposite It's a very adult take on superheroes, and more like a hard hitting crime show than someone dancing round in tights and beating up bad guys to cart them off to the nick. ... so in other words, "not a super hero show at all." I lived through the 90's. I'm over it.
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