Post by takewithfood on Mar 18, 2017 10:00:57 GMT -5
So it's out, and I'm about half-way through. It's... kinda bad. It's obviously much lower-budget than the other shows, and I think I was right to be suspicious of the leads; they really aren't carrying the show at all. The supporting cast are better, but not enough to make up for an uninteresting script, awkward dialogue, cringe-inducing fight choreography, and directing and editing devoid of any spark or creativity.
So far I think it falls somewhere between the first and second half of Luke Cage (the second half being just truly awful). The characters I do find compelling really have almost nothing to do with the Iron Fist stuff, and aren't what we all came to see. It's still watchable, but eh. I hope they try harder with Defenders.
I've only watched the first season of Arrow. It didn't hook me, but I'll give it another shot once it's completed/cancelled most likely. I prefer being able to binge a show. I find my tolerance levels for mediocre episodes is greater if I dont have to wait a week plus between episodes!
Watched it the first two, it's nothing special but it kind of works.
As far as the DC/CW things go, I watch the four of them on a weekly basis, and nowadays I love Flash and Supergirl, I like Legends of Tomorrow as this second season is way better than the first and I enjoy Arrow, but it should end soon as they are running thin on ideas. I'm delighted on how unapologetic Flash and Supergirl are about their superhero feel, with their crazy plots, named villains, colorful suits and corny moments. They are made of all things good, specially when compared to how the movies all feel like teenage angsty drivel to me.
Back to Iron Fist, I'm hopeful, but the reviews have been abysmal, will see. It certainly seems the weaker of the four, but to each their own.
Finished it last night. Honestly, i think the reviews were definitely doing the show a disservice. My issues already noted aside, i think it was a par for the course installment in the series.
In the realms of give and take... i think it ranks just above Luke Cage for me. By a VERY thin margin admittedly. I really like the actor portraying Luke MUCH better, but the writing was so heavy handed and forced that Iron Fist creeped by in my ranking.
Post by takewithfood on Mar 23, 2017 16:28:44 GMT -5
I just finished it, too, and while I thought there was some good content in the first half, some revelations in the second half fell completely flat with me, and the show never recovered. Overall I'd give it somewhere around a 4/10. I rank it slightly behind Luke Cage, which despite suffering from an awkward third act, pulls ahead in terms of style and production value.
Danny Rand is portrayed as a naive, gullible, petulant child with no purpose, direction, foresight, or redeeming qualities of any kind, who throws temper tantrums and resorts to violence at the drop of a hat, and has no discernible character arc. He's seriously a complete creep and a fuckwit who is constantly being manipulated by everyone around him. And he really isn't much better at fighting than anyone else, which is supposed to be the one thing that makes him special. The Iron Fist as a superpower is basically used only once, to break a door. As portrayed, Daredevil could probably take out a full hallway of Danny Rands on a daily basis.
Colleen Wing doesn't fare much better. She's also cringe-inducingly naive and easily manipulated. She also brings a katana to almost every fight, yet refuses to actually use it as an actual sword, preferring to bop people with the scabbard. Just bring a stick, Colleen. Or a broom handle, I don't know, anything but the sword.
The two leads were poorly cast, the dialogue was Star Wars Prequel-level bad in many places, the lighting, editing, and directing were completely flat and uninspired, and the budget was not up to Netflix standards, but I think the majority of the blame should fall on showrunner Scott Buck, who not only came up with a ridiculous plot, but unfolded it in basically the worst possible way in every turn.
Solid performances by Tom Pelphrey (Ward), Jessica Stroup (Joy), David Wenham (Harold), and a small part by Sasha Dhawan (Davos) are about the only thing that got me through the series. They all did an excellent job, especially Wenham and Pelphrey.
For me the order goes:
Daredevil S01 / Jessica Jones (I honestly waffle over which I prefer) Daredevil S02 Luke Cage Iron Fist
So idk if we do this kinda discussion here but my friend and i just had a argument over iron fist and to them the main reason it was a bad show is because Danny is not Asian. is there any reason for this or am i just way of base? (my argument was sure he could be Asian but they made him white prob to mach the comic but i don't see how this has any impact on the show or any of the decisions they made in in. There argument is that buy refusing to even think or play him Asian it was the first mistake in what would become a long line of other mistakes that would not have happened if he was not white?)
So idk if we do this kinda discussion here but my friend and i just had a argument over iron fist and to them the main reason it was a bad show is because Danny is not Asian. is there any reason for this or am i just way of base?
I've heard this in a few places, too, and it's pretty ridiculous. It's basically borne of a lot of ignorance about the source material, plus a little actual racism.
First, Danny Rand is white in the comics. That's not to say that this isn't problematic to some extent, as Iron Fist flirts with the Mighty Whitey trope, but at times it also subverts it: Danny often faces prejudice because he's an outsider, and he's not always depicted as being an especially good Immortal Weapon. The show in particular portrays Danny as a particularly incompetent character and all but overtly takes the stance that the Iron Fist probably should have gone to someone else.
Second, what's actually racist is assuming that because a character knows martial arts, he should inherently be Asian. I'm half-Asian, and one of the most annoying racist things I've had to deal with is people assuming I know martial arts.
There's a pretty clear difference between these objections, and objections to shows or movies which cast a white person in yellowface (Ghost in the Shell), or which step into Mighty Whitey territory (The Last Samurai comes to mind). And then you have outright race-lifting, such as The Last Airbender, where overtly Inuit characters were cast entirely white, and villainous Asian characters were inexplicably Middle-Eastern. WTF is that?
Iron Fist follows its source material, doesn't portray Danny as superior by virtue of being white, and in general casts everyone well in terms of race and gender. It has many, many faults, but this isn't one of them.
I'd have liked to have seen a few other 2nd/3rd tier Marvel characters thrown in as a hint of who else is out there, to populate the non movie universe a bit more and make it feel more like a superhero show. Hector Ayala (White Tiger), Shang Chi, Valkyrie, Gargoyle, Moondragon, Darkhawk etc. Of course the original Defenders (Namor, Dr Strange, Hulk, Silver Surfer) could flatten any other team in the MU but that was never gonna happen so a nod, mention or cameo by some of the others (yes White Tiger and Shang Chi weren't defenders AFAIK but they were popular in the 70s era that Power Man and Iron Fist knocked about in, if I recall. It's been a while). As for the show, well, Iron Fist is all that people have said in the discussion and aside from a glowing hand that breaks wooden doors really isn't much to get excited about. The show was ok and I liked it more than Jessica Jones, but not as much as Luke Cage or DD.
When's the Defenders out? This year or next?
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