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Post by takewithfood on Oct 5, 2016 9:42:41 GMT -5
Well, I just finished Luke Cage. It... honestly wasn't that good. The first half was excellent, and was building to something superior to its predecessors, but the second half completely deflated and the last episode in particular was absolute trash. Like, cringe-fest levels of terrible.
Can't get into many specifics without massive spoilers, except to say that I feel like the show overshadowed Luke Cage himself a little too much, and that I was a bit disappointed in the quiet, reluctant, subdued, boyscout version of Luke Cage. He has basically no flaws, very little swagger, and his own storyline is mostly tangential to the plot of the show. The inhabitants of Harlem feel very cartoonish in the second half, too, especially in the last episode. Plot holes everywhere. Just... ugh.
I'm just going to choose to forget everything after episode 7 and pretend I loved it.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 5, 2016 9:55:08 GMT -5
Well, I just finished Luke Cage. It... honestly wasn't that good. The first half was excellent, and was building to something superior to its predecessors, but the second half completely deflated and the last episode in particular was absolute trash. Like, cringe-fest levels of terrible. Can't get into many specifics without massive spoilers, except to say that I feel like the show overshadowed Luke Cage himself a little too much, and that I was a bit disappointed in the quiet, reluctant, subdued, boyscout version of Luke Cage. He has basically no flaws, very little swagger, and his own storyline is mostly tangential to the plot of the show. The inhabitants of Harlem feel very cartoonish in the second half, too, especially in the last episode. Plot holes everywhere. Just... ugh. I'm just going to choose to forget everything after episode 7 and pretend I loved it. ~TWF I didn't hate the second part of the season as much as you did, but I would absolutely agree that the show lost almost all of its strength in the last... 4 episodes? 5? I binged it so it kind of runs together. I'd get into specifics but spoilers. The big finish bummed me out.
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Post by takewithfood on Oct 5, 2016 10:28:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it's too bad. At first I thought the show was a bit dull, but it built up so well and if they somehow kept going like that it would have blown me away. But I think maybe they tried a little too hard in the end and couldn't hold it together. Oh well.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 5, 2016 10:39:33 GMT -5
Yeah, it's too bad. At first I thought the show was a bit dull, but it built up so well and if they somehow kept going like that it would have blown me away. But I think maybe they tried a little too hard in the end and couldn't hold it together. Oh well. ~TWF I wasn't in the writer's room, but it felt like they ran out of space to make the change from the very believable, down-to-earth initial villain(s) to the actual "super villain" for Luke to have his big fight with in the end. Its difficult to emotionally invest in a struggle when one side of the struggle feels like a sudden substitution for the guy who was actually involved in the build up to the final confrontation.
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Post by takewithfood on Oct 11, 2016 15:47:05 GMT -5
Some of you are going to be too young and/or foreign to get this one, but I'm just gonna leave this here:
~TWF
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Post by Gris on Oct 12, 2016 3:43:11 GMT -5
I haven't finished seeing it yet, but the video preview and title made me took the risk of spoilers and watch it (It seems spoilers free). I was smiling the whole video, but in the Turk moment I just lost it and laughed like a maniac.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 22, 2018 7:07:01 GMT -5
Season 2 is out. I'm pretty disappointed. I don't know how anyone can greenlight a script for an action hero TV show that is 95% dialogue, then hire a director who's just going to shoot it in flat shot-reverse-shot. It's so frustrating.
EDIT: Hunh. It actually gets better after the first few episodes. Luke's storyline is just terrible to start with (and I'll probably go into detail about that sometime) but the show improves in proportion to how much it focuses on the secondary characters - especially Misty, who could honestly carry her own show at this point. (Marvel's Daughters of the Dragon PLEASE!) Luke's storyline finally starts to pick up around mid-season. Will report more after the finale.
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Post by Gris on Jun 24, 2018 5:34:12 GMT -5
Just watched the first and liked it, but I guess they did start slow again.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 24, 2018 8:58:15 GMT -5
So I've seen the whole series now. Without getting into spoiler tags I'll say that it really does get better: It starts out really weak, gets better towards the middle, and ends in a what will probably be a pretty divisive way: Like with The Last Jedi, I expect fans to be split on the ending. It isn't as good as the first half of season 1, but it isn't quite as bad as the second half either.
Overall I preferred this season to Iron Fist and Defenders, and it's roughly on the same level as Punisher and Luke's first season. It's still a full step below what Daredevil and Jessica Jones have to offer, however.
I'll spare you all a long rant about all the many things the show does wrong because there are A LOT. But it has enough going for it that I managed to get through it without regrets, mostly on the strength of Misty's storyline (she's practically the main character this season and deserves her own show). Ironically, Luke's passive, inconsistent storyline is the show's biggest problem, with the script's copious and clunky dialogue coming a close second.
I'm interested to see where they go from here, but I'd really prefer to only see Luke as a supporting character, or sharing the limelight in a true duo with Iron Fist, or in a Heroes for Hire ensemble.
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Post by takewithfood on Oct 21, 2018 10:45:12 GMT -5
So in case you missed it amid the release of Daredevil Season 3, Luke Cage has been cancelled. This comes just a week after the cancellation of Iron Fist. Funny that those two would go out swinging together. The reasons are likely complicated; some, like Emergency Awesome, have brought up the likely explanation that Disney is trying to gradually move its properties to their new/upcoming Disney Streaming Service, and that Marvel's original deal with Netflix was probably quite expensive for the latter - an expense that might not have been worth the meager ratings, awards, and viewcount of the series. A slightly more optimistic reason that might be contributing is that this opens those characters up to a Heroes for Hire team-up. We could also/instead see a spinoff in the form of Daughters of the Dragon, since Misty and Colleen have generally been well received by fans, and overtly female-led titles are looking like less and less of a risk (see Wonderwoman, Supergirl, possibly Captain Marvel, and even the recent financial success of Oceans 8). I don't think either of these are especially likely, but I would absolutely be into it. Perhaps more likely are short cameos in future seasons of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, or the Punisher, if they even happen. Maybe Disney wants all of those products back, too.
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Post by Gris on Oct 23, 2018 3:36:48 GMT -5
It can be both I guess and have some Heroes for Hire / Daughters of the Dragon in the Marvel/Disney service. Will see how it pans out as the 3rd season of Jessica Jones is supposedly already signed up with Netflix.
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