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Post by Gris on Aug 23, 2020 4:41:41 GMT -5
Now it's even more terrible. And longer (4 episodes of 1 hour each). Brace for teenage edgy nonsense.
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Post by mcr on Feb 22, 2021 14:31:11 GMT -5
I really want DC to have a good movie with Batman and Superman in it. Is that too much to ask for? They should let James Wan take a run at it, Aquaman was the last good DC film. I really want Synder cut to be good, but I have a feeling it won't be.
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Post by Black Sam on Feb 25, 2021 17:55:30 GMT -5
I though Aquaman was mediocre. They need to get creative control away from Warner Brothers, they're the problem with it.
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Post by Gris on Mar 19, 2021 18:17:29 GMT -5
I'm totally and completely disoriented, for I have watched the Snyder Cut in one sitting.
It's not good, as it's both four hours long and a Snyder movie, it couldn't be. But surprisingly it's not bad either, something I didn't expect. Sure, it has its terrible moments, excess of slow motion and the worst uses of music known to man, as usual. But it's an improvement over the theatrical mess and almost all characters improve with the extra screentime. It's dishonest when sometimes rewrites past movies of Snyder himself, not done in an act of self awareness over the mistakes, but pure fleeting convenience. And somehow it's entertaining, even for such a long experience. I'm baffled by it, by its improvements, even if it's a monster of a thing.
It's not bad, it's better, yet not really good.
PD: Fuck the epilogue though. That was the garbage I kinda expected of the whole thing.
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Post by mcr on Mar 19, 2021 19:31:01 GMT -5
Yep, this definitely makes me not want to waste the time to watch, so thanks for the review. Makes me want to do a good JL game on this board that lasts.
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Post by Gris on Mar 20, 2021 5:26:43 GMT -5
It's a definitive improvement over the previous version though, even if that's not saying much, and if the length feels daunting it can be watched in separate episodes, as it even has title cards once in a while.
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 21, 2021 8:06:30 GMT -5
I'm 20 minutes into this thing, and holy fuck, I want to die. Every goddamn scene has slow motion and weird, ululating singing in it, regardless of tone, composition, or content. There's literally slow motion of Lois Lane GETTING COFFEE.
Michael Bay has the same inability to turn off his schtick (parallax camera movement in EVERY SCENE), but at least he knows who he is and what he's making. Snyder is so pretentious that he doesn't even seem to realize he's unintentionally parodying himself. It's so fucking cringey.
On the upside, at least the colour grading has been fixed. I don't know what possessed Whedon to fuck with Snyder's colour grading. It served no purpose, and just made everything look weird. The sets, costumes, and lighting were all intended for this specific look, and at least it's consistent now.
Oh, also, the 4:3 format is a weird choice, but I guess it has something to do with shooting it for IMAX. Oh well.
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Post by Gris on Mar 22, 2021 5:43:34 GMT -5
I'm 20 minutes into this thing, and holy fuck, I want to die. Every goddamn scene has slow motion and weird, ululating singing in it, regardless of tone, composition, or content. There's literally slow motion of Lois Lane GETTING COFFEE. Yes, that was a laugh out loud moment for sure. He can't let his music video thing go. It gets... better? Or at least more sparse, but it's in no way the only moment like that.
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 22, 2021 12:14:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it did get better in some of the middle parts, though they did still cram in Wonder Woman's music each time she appears in a fight scene, however briefly. Oof.
Overall I think it's a much worse movie than the Whedon cut. It's more even in tone, and more complete, but the narrative is somehow even more disjointed, and as a whole it's just dreary and exhausting. I can at least forgive the Whedon cut's glaring problems to some degree because of the tragic circumstances that created them, but this cut is as close to what Snyder wanted as any director gets. There is no excuse at all.
One thing Whedon understands is that you can't carry a one-note tone 2+ hours, or the audience gets numb to it. Snyder is obsessed with making every shot epic and dramatic - every single shot. Stark lighting, cameras constantly in motion circling the characters, emotional swells of music, melodramatic dialogue, and of course the slow motion - and when he can't justify slow motion, he'll opt for long pans, or stretched moments of stillness and silence.
I get that dramatic moments are often the most memorable, but you can't build an entire movie out of them. Like, I love ketchup on my hamburgers, and I won't eat one without it - but that doesn't mean I want to suck down a whole bottle of ketchup for dinner. Four hours of slow-motion sepia brooding set to yodeling is a fucking joke.
I think if they had taken the time to set up films for Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg ahead of time, gotten some producers or whoever to challenge Snyder on some of his more far-fetched ideas, and broken this into a two-parter (separated at the moment Superman comes back), this could have been pretty neat.
As always, I don't mean to condescend to anyone who enjoyed it: A film being well-made, and that same film being enjoyable are two very, very different concepts. But yikes.
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Post by Gris on Mar 22, 2021 15:02:48 GMT -5
though they did still cram in Wonder Woman's music each time she appears in a fight scene, however briefly.
Other than that I agree on the general feel, but I'm more positive about the outcome. I mean, even disregarding the "lets grab two close friends and watch this infamous thing with drinks" event that turned my movie afternoon into, it will leave a longer, slightly more positive memory than the theatrical cut (that I watched just once because it's horrible, not that I would watch this one again either, but yeah). It's tonally less of a horrible trip through Snyder's DC Murderverse than Man of Steel and BvS, and given the circumstances of producers giving him liberties and money to do whatever thanks to how famous the whole silly Release the Snyder Cut had become, I expected something way worse.
WAY, WAY WORSE. So yeah, I guess that I'm in the "kinda fine, slightly better even if longer, could avoid the awful epilogue" camp thanks to a combination of friends, drinks and very, very low expectations. I mean, the last thing I said on this very thread before I watched it was "Now it's even more terrible. And longer (4 episodes of 1 hour each). Brace for teenage edgy nonsense." so that's where my expectations were.
I do find the whole deal of how this movie happened fascinating though, probably more than the movie itself.
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 22, 2021 19:14:29 GMT -5
It is fascinating. I so badly wonder how all the different actors feel about it, too.
On reflection I think my expectations were too high. I didn't think I would like it, but I was caught off-guard by how stylized it was. Whedon really did a number on Snyder's vision, like far more than I thought at first.
What's messed up is I kinda want to watch it again. lol
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