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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2019 9:11:04 GMT -5
Hm. Am I the only one not feeling this new iteration of Spider-Man? It's like they replaced the late Uncle Ben with the living Tony Stark. I get that they're going for the young, adorkable teen who idolizes the larger than life heroes but that's not who Spider-Man is. He's more mature in a lot of ways (if still self-conscious). I dunno, he doesn't feel like Spider-Man to me. I like this iteration of Spider-Man in a lot of ways, but I hate the fact that his suit is basically power armor (which, I know, is how the comics are now), and I especially hate that Stark is his mentor. At least in the comics, Peter eventually caught on to what kind of a scumbag Tony really is.
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2019 9:12:29 GMT -5
(That said, the movie relationship IS reflective of the fact that the comic version of Peter, albeit an adult at the time, acknowledged that it was easy for Stark to prey on his need for a father figure to manipulate him, and movie Stark is less of a douchenoodle than comic Stark, so it stands to reason that he'd have a similar, but more genuine, relationship. I just dislike Stark and always will)
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Post by ZehnWaters on May 7, 2019 13:14:36 GMT -5
Well...I guess we now know why it's the last movie in Phase III.
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Post by ZehnWaters on May 7, 2019 13:18:14 GMT -5
(That said, the movie relationship IS reflective of the fact that the comic version of Peter, albeit an adult at the time, acknowledged that it was easy for Stark to prey on his need for a father figure to manipulate him, and movie Stark is less of a douchenoodle than comic Stark, so it stands to reason that he'd have a similar, but more genuine, relationship. I just dislike Stark and always will) I REALLY didn't like him in Endgame I get the feeling Pepper's self-serving attitude rubbed off on Stark. "I can't risk my family, I might have to go through what everyone else is going through but me!" Fortunately the hero in him overwrote any of Pepper's years of complaints. *sigh* Laura really is the best spouse of the group.
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Post by shenron on May 7, 2019 13:36:19 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the first Spider-Man:Homecoming. I liked how that Spiderman was more akin to the Ulti.ate spiderman in style and personality. I also thought that Keaton did a great job too.
Not a fan of the whole power armor thing or how Peter hasn't realized how much he is being manipulated by Stark but it is what it is.
Though after watching Into to the Spiderverse my favorite version of Spiderman is mid life crisis Spiderman.
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2019 13:42:59 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the first Spider-Man:Homecoming. I liked how that Spiderman was more akin to the Ulti.ate spiderman in style and personality. I also thought that Keaton did a great job too. Not a fan of the whole power armor thing or how Peter hasn't realized how much he is being manipulated by Stark but it is what it is. Though after watching Into to the Spiderverse my favorite version of Spiderman is mid life crisis Spiderman.
[/b] Its because we're old and we can identify 8) (I hated Into the Spiderverse though. Anime Girl & Talking Pig are deal breakers when I'm already being forced to deal with Miles Morales)
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Post by takewithfood on May 7, 2019 13:54:35 GMT -5
The funny thing about the power armor is that it wasn't even popular in the comics, yet they still tried to adapt it into the movies. I like Karen (his AI) because it gives him someone to talk to, but the rest can go. I imagine that's what we'll see going forward. I suspect we'll level lose Karen.
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Post by shenron on May 7, 2019 13:59:05 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the first Spider-Man:Homecoming. I liked how that Spiderman was more akin to the Ulti.ate spiderman in style and personality. I also thought that Keaton did a great job too. Not a fan of the whole power armor thing or how Peter hasn't realized how much he is being manipulated by Stark but it is what it is. Though after watching Into to the Spiderverse my favorite version of Spiderman is mid life crisis Spiderman.
Its because we're old and we can identify That and I think it is a breath of fresh air to see a disillusioned hero. The funny thing about the power armor is that it wasn't even popular in the comics, yet they still tried to adapt it into the movies. I like Karen (his AI) because it gives him someone to talk to, but the rest can go. I imagine that's what we'll see going forward. I suspect we'll level lose Karen. I did think Karen was funny. I actually have been avoided the trailers to this movie as I heard there are Endgame spoilers and I having seen Endgame yet.
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2019 14:23:47 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Peter/Karen interactions as well.
In fact, if I were going to describe Homecoming, I might say something like "a bunch of disparate elements that normally I would dislike, that somehow came together into one of my favorite Marvel movies"
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Post by Ushima911 on Jul 3, 2019 11:06:01 GMT -5
It was good, but I didn't enjoy it as much. Fun, definitely, but didn't totally enjoy it personally. This movie....MAN this movie...I haven't walked out of a theater with so many conflicting thoughts within me than after watching this movie. This friggin movie Yada Yadas a CRAP TON, but it's still enjoyable. Maybe I need to watch it a second time to FULLY take in everything, but a lot is thrown at you, and then yada yada yada Peter is back on his school trip, then yada yada yada cool new things just happened. It's just...rrrggghh! It usually takes me a few hours, maybe the night, to digest everything, then start feeling iffy about a movie. But the iffy hit me right when the credits started.. I'll just watch it again and see how I feel coming out a second time..
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Post by takewithfood on Jul 9, 2019 20:28:23 GMT -5
Watched it today, and I'm still sorta processing it. I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it. I've seen a lot of people say it's a little more "Disney" than Homecoming, and I think there's something to it. Whether that's a pro or a con is up to the individual; personally I think I liked Homecoming a lot more. The first big thing that comes to mind is that Far From Home is probably more enjoyable if you don't know who Mysterio is going into the theater. He's played as a hero for about half the film (and thus half the action sequences), and that whole time I was just kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop. When it did, and Mysterio was revealed to be a villain all along, I heard a lady a row or two behind me gasp. It just sounded like she was enjoying it more than I was.
There are a LOT of special effects for what is primarily a high school drama/romantic-comedy, and some of them looked a little cheap/rough/rushed. And because of the silly Disney feeling to everything, rarely do you ever get the sense that anything serious is actually at stake.
I did like a lot of the high school drama writing and a lot of the performances. I expect people to be pretty split with strong feelings about this take on MJ; I really like her, but I just wish she was a new character and not named MJ, as the two have basically nothing in common. What I didn't care for is how goofy most of the adults were, especially the two teachers. It got way too pantomimey for me.
In general the script could have been a lot tighter, and could have done with more emotional depth. They showcase a lot of Peter's difficulty with the events of Infinity War/Endgame, but it's all pretty shallow and just sort of goes away in the end. On a lesser note, it's the same with the micro plotline about Peter mastering/regaining his spidersense; there is a throwaway line at the start about how he doesn't really have it, then he just sort of uses it at the end when he feels better about stuff for some reason I guess. Meh. It seemed like more of an excuse to make "Peter Tingle" jokes than a serious character arc.
The JJ surprise ending would have landed better if Peter wasn't so careless with his secret identity in this universe. Every time he pulls his mask off for no reason it makes me cringe like watching the DCEU Batman casually shoot people with guns.
I kinda miss Karen the AI, and by extension Peter's self-dialogue.
Tom Holland pulled off 15 in Homecoming, but it's getting hard to buy him as only 16. Are they going to have to start digitally de-ageing him?
If the writers and directors have to explain the Fury end credit scene even to nerd fans, they probably shouldn't have included it. I did suspect something like that was going on early in the movie, though, as both Nick and Maria were acting strangely; initially I assumed they were also holograms, then at some point I thought about Skrulls. So I guess they're setting up SWORD?
I nitpick a lot, but generally I enjoyed it.
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Post by WildKnight on Jul 12, 2019 8:55:45 GMT -5
I enjoyed the movie, but yeah, I don't think it was anywhere near as good as Homecoming. I'm normally pretty anti-Jake Gyllenhaal, but I enjoyed his performance in this movie... but he's not Michael Keaton, nor was he given as much to work with as Keaton was. I think he too quickly degenerated from a guy who I could kind of see where he was coming from, to cackling stereotypical supervillain threatening to kill his own people and stuff.
I actually really like the not-MJ character, but she's y'know, not MJ, and in one specific way that bothers me. MJ was always proactive about her relationship with Pete. Say what you want about the whole "you just hit the jackpot" thing being male fantasy fulfillment, I personally always saw it as a demonstration of MJ's strength and self-confidence that allowed her to be the unpowered wife of a super hero and be more annoyed at Peter's attempts to protect her than upset about the violence and chaos of his life.
This version of MJ is fun, and I think there's a lot of on-screen chemistry there, but something about her moments of insecurity in the movie made it difficult for me to see her as THE MJ. I don't need he to have the same "I'm hot and I know it" type of attitude, but I'd like to see some of the spark of self-assuredness there.
That said, I absolutely enjoyed their interactions, particularly on the bridge when she told him she knew he was Spider-Man.
I also enjoyed the bit about the boys jockeying for position to date MJ. I know its not very enlightened in CURRENT YEAR to treat women as a prize, but I also think young boys will continue to do so long after we're all dead and buried
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Post by Savant on Jul 12, 2019 17:37:49 GMT -5
I personally enjoyed FFH more than HC for the simple impression that this version of Spidey is closer to the source (i.e. the comic) than he was when he first began his journey. He is growing as a person and as a character at the same time, which is nice to see. The change of pace that happened during the middle of the movie was not that big of a surprise, but I still found it interesting how it was pulled off. I was, however, miffed that there was no Sinister Six reference aside from the so-called "Elementals". I was hoping for at least a reference to Vulture/Toomes and Scorpion/Gargan, but that thread is still hanging in the air.
Oh well, at least we saw J.K. Simmons reprise his memetic role as J.J. Jameson...
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Post by takewithfood on Jul 12, 2019 22:05:01 GMT -5
Regarding the Sinister Six, Dmitri, the guy working for "Fury", bears the same name as The Chameleon. Given that Fury and Hill were really skrulls, maybe he is, too. What if Chameleon in the MCU is a rogue skrull in a later film?
It's also somewhat ambiguous if Beck actually died at the end of the movie; and even if he did, someone else could easily take up his mantle, as it was mostly just tech anyway. William Ginter Riva, the former Stark scientist who worked under Obidiah Stane, seemed to take the files with him; maybe he becomes the next Mysterio? Making Peter think Beck was back (via holograms) would really mess with his head.
They're pretty close to a Sinister Six if they want to go that way. I really, really want to see an MCU character build up a proper rogues gallery, and who better than Spidey?
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Post by Savant on Jul 13, 2019 8:20:49 GMT -5
Regarding the Sinister Six, Dmitri, the guy working for "Fury", bears the same name as The Chameleon. Given that Fury and Hill were really skrulls, maybe he is, too. What if Chameleon in the MCU is a rogue skrull in a later film?
It's also somewhat ambiguous if Beck actually died at the end of the movie; and even if he did, someone else could easily take up his mantle, as it was mostly just tech anyway. William Ginter Riva, the former Stark scientist who worked under Obidiah Stane, seemed to take the files with him; maybe he becomes the next Mysterio? Making Peter think Beck was back (via holograms) would really mess with his head.
They're pretty close to a Sinister Six if they want to go that way. I really, really want to see an MCU character build up a proper rogues gallery, and who better than Spidey? Hmm... Those are valid points there. Intriguing...
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