Post by takewithfood on Dec 8, 2019 16:47:00 GMT -5
I have so many questions, not the least of which is what's going on with Steve, but also how did any of this happen without Batman eventually hearing about it? But anyway, looks like a fun romp. I don't have very high expectations, but I'll keep an eye on it.
DC keeps getting better, but I don't know if the pace is enough. I mean, it seems like an enjoyable movie, but meanwhile Marvel had their Infinity War and the CW just started Crisis. The Blue Monday cover is very nice but it carries like 80% of the trailer and without it seems pretty generic (besides golden armor and riding the lightning).
And yeah, the Steve Trevor situation (Captain América? Circe illusion? Robot/Clone? Gods meddling?) stinks of "we didn't even consider doing the movie without dragging on the romance angle".
Post by takewithfood on Dec 9, 2019 9:22:32 GMT -5
The music is definitely pulling a lot of weight here. That Suicide Squad trailer really changed things (it's soooo goooood!), even for Marvel; you can hear it in the way they used Immigrant Song in the first Ragnarok trailer. But I think there's more going on here.
Feels weird using spoilers on a trailer, but I don't think everyone wants to speculate this much about the plot:
What I think is interesting about this trailer is that it lays out a theme a lot more clearly than I'm used to seeing in other DC movies.
Maxwell Lord appears to have some sort of magic crystal that I'm assuming is granting him his powers. He talks about how people can have what they want if they just want it enough. Meanwhile, Diana talks about the unhappy parts of her life, and then how nothing good comes from lies. Kristen Wiig's Barbara Ann Minerva also experiences a transformation from an awkward nerd into a vamp reminiscent of Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman.
If you look at the snippets of dialogue, the trailer makes it sound like Maxwell Lord is using his powers to give people what they want most, even if it's only a lie or an illusion, which is what I think is going on with Steve:
Diana: "My life... probably hasn't been what you think it has. We all have our struggles."
[dialogue where Diana confesses she hasn't been in love since Steve; Barbara Ann Minerva seems to admire and envy Diana (who wouldn't?)]
Maxwell Lord: "Welcome to the future. Life is good - but it can be better. And why shouldn't it be? All you need is to want it. Think about finally having everything you always wanted."
[Steve comes back, Diana looks happy.]
Maxwell Lord: "Now, I take what I want in return. Everyone will see."
[scenes of chaos; Cheetah might have some of her powers]
Steve: "The world needs you. You know what you need to do."
[scenes of Diana connecting with her Amazon heritage, fighting]
Diana: "Nothing good is born from lies. And greatness is not what you think."
So, it seems like a lot of themes about wishful thinking, letting fantasy distraction you from reality, facing hard truths (like Steve's death and maybe the fact that Diana needs to move on from him after all these years), and moving into the future.
Now, this could just be clever editing on the part of the trailer people; a lot of this dialogue is edited together from fragments, and almost none of it accompanies the film of the character speaking those lines. But it makes a lot of sense as a character arc for Diana, and would make a smashing film anyway. I hope this is what it's about.
Oh I'm sure, or at least pretty confident, that the plot will manage to sort out things in a convincing and adequate way at least. The thing is that I don't really care for Steve Trevor as a character or what does he bring to the movies and I'm not Chris Pine's biggest fan, so his presence is whatever at best.
Post by takewithfood on Dec 10, 2019 0:13:02 GMT -5
I agree, though I think it might be cute to see the fish-out-of-water roles reversed. And maybe for Diana to realize along the way just how much she's grown/adapted/moved on in the last 40 years. Basically I like him better as a trope or character device than an actual character.