New Action: Kinetic Boost

[nightthrasher]

Alright, i've been thinking about Sebastian Shaw's Kinetic Absorbtion that they never priced

I'm a rookie with power creation, so any friendly criticism would be greatly appreciated.

I'm using this power for my new world

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[glow=red,2,300]Kinetic Boost
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Cost Level = Action Number + 5

Description:
This power allows the character to absorb any DIRECT physical force, up to their action number, being used on them. The character cannot redirect kinetic absorbed, he/she instead can convert it into a power boost for a statistic of their choosing (excluding intelligence).

Comments:
This power has been created because Sebastian Shaw's power in the X-men guide pg. 59 was never explained.

Very useful against big bruising opponents. Can even stop the Thing in his tracks. Expensive? Yes. Well worth it if you decide to make this your character's focal power. Exotic powers rule!

Rules
-Can only absorb direct kinetic attacks.
-Can only use stones absorbed as boost for Speed, Strength, Durability, or Toughness.
-Can apply absorbed stones to multiple areas
-Boosted abilities suffer leakage of one stone per panel
-Can purchase Toughness at a -1 level discount

Example:
[glow=black,2,300]Sebastian Shaw is in a fist fight with, "Thing". Thing can't believe such a scrawny little fly is trying to fight with him. He attacks Shaw with 6 stones into Close Combat. Shaw whom has Kinetic Boost of 7, simply uses Kinetic Boost, and absorbs the entire attack. He then decides to add these stones to his strength. They increase his strength of 2 to a strength of 8. He then decides to pick up a near by Semi-Truck with his new found strength and bash it over Things head. Could be lights out for our "stoney" friend. Next panel Sebastian will loose 1 stone and become a strength of 7.[/glow]
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Things i'm wreslting around with

-Changing how much the absorbtion can boost your ability.

right now it's 1 stone absorbed = 1 stone boost

maybe it should be 2 stones absorbed = 1 stone boost

thoughts?
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-Leakage

right now i'v got the power leaking 1 stone every panel

maybe it should be half itself until it's gone (in the example 6 stones absorbed would drop to 3 stones, then to 2 stones then to 1)

maybe it should be 2 stone leakage per panel.

thoughts?
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Options?

I don't have any yet
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Lastly i explain why i left the pricing right where it was for energy absorbtion reflection.

loss of force blast = gain of power boost

loss of 2x absorbtion = ability to absorb the most common attack in the game, a physical one.

most every attack by a regular hero/villian is kinetic.

granted if we were in a land of magicians, and wizards, and everyone owned energy weapons i'd be inclined to make the price less.

[i3ullseye]

Ya know, I dont remember his agility ever getting better in the comics, but here it says any physical attribute basically. In the old game it increased Agility, Strength and Endurance, but it want beyond healing first. Here is my take on this.

Kinetic Absorption

The stones of damage of any blunt force trauma are lowered by the KA rank. these stones will directly recover energy for the powers weilder first, and then it will convert 3 red stones for each shite to heal their damage. Once health and energy are both full, stones are then converted on a 3 to 1 basis to Strength, Speed, Toughness or Durability.

The ranks of KA are taken form an attack BEFORE they are applied to toughness, and any stones of abilities fade at a rate of 1 white stone per 10 panels. The maximum any ability can be boosted by this power is to rank 10.

This actually follows the old writeup pretty closely, and then adds it to the new systems mechanics for damage and energy. He had an unearthly cap, which translates to rank 10 in this game, and it did indeed heal him first. He had a -1CS per 10 rounds bleed off, which is 1 stone per 10 panels here (in combat). If combat is ended, then all stones in abilities are lost if more than a few minutes pass before the next page.

And I concur, a cost of +5 sounds just about right.

The higher rate of retention (ie, slower bleed off) is compensation for having to heal both health and energy before boosting at all, and then only boosting on a 1 to 3 ratio. Of course a pissed off Hulk will overcome his 10 toughness (maxed) and 7 KA (total 17 defense) and whittle through those 10 stones of health (maxed durability) in no time. He would ramp up real fast, then the Hulk would do enough eventually to beat him down, which sounds about right.

Note... once the abilities and toughness are all maxed the stones absorped will be replensishing them so that the 10 panel dleay will start the round AFTER the last bit of damage is taken. But form beginning to end the power itself only absorbs its rank in stones. And I would NEVER allows an ability bonus to this, let alone one linked to one of the abuilities that it can increase.

[Rushlock]

I agree with most of what I've read here so far, but let me share a few thoughts.

I'm starting my understanding from what I read in the book. And since there's not conversion rate given as the ones you two have explained, I'm inclined to believe it's meant to be:

1 stone absorbed = 1 point boost to an ability/toughness.

And while there's no mention of a bleed off, I think the bleed off of 1 rank of Ability absorbed per 10 panels is accurate. Basing this opinion off what I've seen of Shaw in my comics.

As for cost, I'm at a loss. Though I would think it would be the same +5 as the Energy Absorb/Reflect action I think this action was based off of.

[nightthrasher]

Alright this is my take

I believe 3 stones = 1 level would be more accurate

Reason

In the comics if sebastian was attacked by an opponent he didn't automatically become extremley strong, unless it was a large attack.

Alright i changed my mind again

2 stones = 1 level increase

3 seems like it would take too much absorbtions to increase your abilities unless it was a super long battle

1 seems as if you could become thor strength by absorbing one pretty standard attack.

unless bleed off time, 1 rank per 10 panels, is changed (which i agree wouldn't be accurate to the comics if changed) and drastically
2 stones would be my opinion

it seems to me that attacks of the 6-10 range are pretty standard by combinging close combat, and strength, or ranged combat, and a weapons modifiers so a three to four stone increase would be common, and in my opinion a great advantage.

thoughts?

[Rushlock]

Ok, so far we've been comparing higher end characters like Thing and Shaw.

Let's see how this works with lower to mid type characters.

Let's say I buy Kinetic Absorb at level 2. This would cost 6w

Toughness at level 2 costs 3w.

So for 3w more, going by NightThrashers way, I not only ignore damage, but can boost 1 Ability by 1 for 10 panels. ( Assuming I read his post correctly )


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My thoughts:

I still think 1 for 1 on absorb to boost is fine. Reason being for a character to have this action at level 7 (Like Sebastion) they'd have to pay 25 white stones. A considerable ammount in my opinion.

To buy it at 5 would cost 15 white stones, still a considerable amount for a 30-40 stone character. Will probably be there main "trick".

For my character I planned on getting it around 3, costing 9w. Taking up 1/3 or 1/4 of my creation stones depending on the limit. Still ending up being my primary action.

A character is still likely to buy Toughness, which is not cheap either. (Which is probably a reason to drop the -1 cost to Toughness if bought with this action that Night suggested)

My main concern is I like to keep things as close to the book as possible. The way I read it, I believe they intended for it to be a 1 to 1 ration for absorb/boost. I think they'd of specified otherwise.

Obviously no matter what, the boost(s) isn't permanent. So I think the time limit/ bleed rate of the boosts are the factor we can concentrate on to help balance this thing out.

As for all 3 of us so far having different opinions about the ratio (Bulls saying 3, Night saying 2, me saying 1, lol ) maybe these could be cost level options? Meaning if you want a 3 to 1 ratio, it's -x cost level, 2 to 1 ratio = - cost level, and 1 to 1 ratio being the base +5 cost level. Just an idea.

Glad we're getting his much conversation going on it so far, hope to see others stop buy with input.

[i3ullseye]

Hmmm.... just the basics of the power itself should be at the worst conversion rate... 3 to 1. and then for each +1 modifier you can slide it down the scale one.

Rank +5 = a 3 to 1 transfer

Rank +6 = a 2 to 1 transfer

and Rank +7 = a 1 to 1 transfer

The thing that is not defined is the absorption to health and energy which was key to the character in the comics and in the old writeup. The new version does not address this at all. Sure, you can pump up the Durability, but the net result is not quite the same.

Also, there is no limit listed. Shaw most definately had a limit, but under this new version if the Hulk kept punching him he would eventually have hundreds in his durability.

As written in the X-Men guide it is clearly a broken power, no two ways about it.