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Post by Bladephyre on Apr 20, 2004 18:28:41 GMT -5
I know the the version of Juggernaut in the MURPG guide to the X-MEN was powerful but it was not accurate in the least, they even completey left out some of his powers. Problems: 1: NO HEALING FACTOR!!!! Should have at least accelerated, maybe even enhanced. 2: Forcefield of 5 is too low. (He resisted Thor's Godforce attack for Pete's sake) Maybe 8. 3: Durability: 6 is a little low, he does not get tired ever. 4: No self contained life form, it has been proven many times that Juggernaut does not need to eat, drink, or breath. 5: Intelegence of 2 is iffy I was thinking 1 but who knows 6: Close Combat of only 3 is a little off but then again everyone of the "Brutes" in the game a a freakishly low close combat except Thing. What fanboy idiot gave him a 7 close combat, but gave Hulk, Abomination, and Juggernaut a 3 or less. I say a 4 maybe 5. 7: No Ranged Combat at all? He throws stuff around quite a bit, maybe a 3.
Any ideas, criticism or corrections would be greatly welcome, feel free to type up a realistic CAD.
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Post by zac on Apr 20, 2004 22:16:48 GMT -5
Personally I would just give him immunity to all physical and energy attacks. magical apparently can hurt him (even though only once by a crappy writer, but what was done was done), and he is vunerable to Physics when his helmet is off, but other then that, nothing has hurt him. He has had everything but the kitchen sink tossed at him, and he still hasn't been hurt. If there is ever a person deserving of the immune to physical and energy damage, it's him.
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Post by Bladephyre on Apr 22, 2004 14:11:33 GMT -5
I completely agree with you but that would make too many other people very angry. Juggernaut is one of those villians that has just as much power as Dr. Doom, Magneto, or anybody, more than m,ost actually but he is not a popular as they areso he is downplayed. Not sure how it would work but, he can be cut by powerful weapons (Shatterstar's swords, Wolverine's claws...) but it does not seem to effect him much.
On a side note, any ideas on the ingame way to get his helmet off? Directed attack or ripping it off or whatever, and if so how much of a D/R should it be?
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Post by candyman on Apr 22, 2004 15:01:06 GMT -5
i see juggernaut as this. of course it should be extremely hard to hurt him but invulnerable to physical and energy attacks?!?!? sorry but no. he can be hurt, he is just the type of fighter who doesnt care how much you've hit him he'll come at as strong as before but he will still be hurting. even people in real life can not care about pain and keep fighting its a mind set not an invulnerability. after all say Phoenix decides to torch him, with physical and energy invulnerability that would mean Phoenix wouldnt be able to hurt him and that just plain isnt true.
hope that helped some
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Post by nuke on Apr 22, 2004 21:14:27 GMT -5
-Toughness 10 -Self Sustaning Life Form -Low, low resistance to Magic, he was always nervous around Dr. Strange, vulnerable to ShatterStar's swords. -Accelerated Healing Factor (Shatterstar blinded him, and in a few seconds his eyes grew back.) -Vulnerable to mental sans helmet -Unstoppable -Force Field 10, hmm, Well he did slow down Thor's hammer as it came to him by some invisble barrier, and grabbed on the hammer as it returned and smacked Thor with a punch, New Mutants) -With that toughness, and ForceField add the weakness susceptible to magic somehow. -He could trade punches with the HUlk and not feel a thing.
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Post by candyman on Apr 22, 2004 21:29:23 GMT -5
hmm force field 10?? i mean yeah he can take hits like mad but i just dont know about force field of 10. it would provide 20 defense that is not armor penetrable ontop of his already 9 toughness and +2 armor sorry but 10 force field just too high.
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Post by nuke on Apr 22, 2004 21:34:04 GMT -5
Hmm, I see.... *+4 costume (It is pretty indestructible) *+9 toughness *5 Force Field *+2 damage for those bands he wears over his knuckles. *Force Field would have to be knoceked down, before anyone could get to that helmet that would have a welded bolts that probably have a resistance 0f 8 or 9 to rip off and get to that noggin.
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Post by candyman on Apr 22, 2004 21:50:55 GMT -5
as i am looking at juggy in the book as he is if you think about in terms of comparison to the other written up characters in the game there are very few characters who if juggernaut put up his force field would be able to get through all of his defenses at all. of course someone like thor or hulk at full rage could still come along and hit juggernaut and still do damage but i think if thor or hulk were to go truly out into one attack even juggernaut wouldnt be able to stop such attacks.
juggernaut with 5 r into force field has what 21 defense, which would leave the hulk unable to hurt juggernaut and thor struggling to do anything even with the great mjolnir
thats why i think juggernauts defense/force field is fine as is however he could use ranged combat and social skills of 1, he did get with she-hulk after all (refer to trial of juggernaut in recent issues of uncanny x-men )
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Post by nuke on Apr 22, 2004 22:17:52 GMT -5
Oh, I shut down force fields for one panel after they are over come by a force greater than 2 times their rating. Plus the Jugg has to pay endurane on that field, so it will drop eventually.
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Post by Bladephyre on Apr 26, 2004 14:34:39 GMT -5
I might can let the force field slide but I can not let the fact that he does not hae Slef Contained Lifeform and Advanced Healing Factor. I am greatly bothered by his 6 durrability, he never gets tired, ever, that should be at least 8.
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Post by Vassago on Apr 27, 2004 2:17:00 GMT -5
This is totally redundant you know... as Cain Marko has lost His forcefield, Self contained lifeform, healing factor, immortality and juggernaut armor.
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Post by kathranis on Apr 27, 2004 7:37:59 GMT -5
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Post by Vassago on Apr 27, 2004 8:40:26 GMT -5
To Kathranis
In current X-men story arc Cain Marko A.k.a Juggernaut no longer has his old power levels nor does he have all his previous powers -> he doesn't heal fast, nor is he unstoppable, he must breath, eat & sleep to survive, he nearly died in probane explosion (was saved by Angel).
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Post by ranger on Apr 27, 2004 13:11:04 GMT -5
WHAT!?! Why'd they completely change his character around!?! Durn those writers - that'd be similar to if they removed Wovie's claws and made him a softie! Looks like i'm going to have to write for marvel to bring back the Jug of old!...
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Post by kathranis on Apr 28, 2004 7:33:01 GMT -5
To Vassago
Many thanks Wise One
May you not become adrift in the Sea of Chaos
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