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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 18:36:51 GMT -5
I didn't say he thinks more... I said his brain goes faster... IE high speed....
And what I'm saying isn't out of line with the comics, several speedsters have done several differen things at once during a "combat panel" the chief proprietor of this is the man who invented the speedster... The Flash... I remember him, in one comic, literally Taking apart a machine, beating up Captain Cold, freeing some chick and then carrying her out of a building while a timer counted down on a bomb from about half a minute to 0.... You're telling me that Flash, the man that invented Speedster, can't do that?
It's not absurd... it's balanced with what happens in the comics.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 9, 2009 18:38:13 GMT -5
The Flash is a DC character. Nobody in Marvel can do what he can do.
The Flash would have to tie lead weights around his waist and ankles and still intentionally slow himself down to run at Quicksilvers top possible speed.
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Post by soban on Feb 9, 2009 18:43:04 GMT -5
if you have a high enough of an AN you can. Also flash for DC might just have speed 10 or so.
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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 18:43:47 GMT -5
LOL!! But Flash is the one that's set just about every precedent for every speedster that's followed him.... He's the Model... he's the reason I'm arguing so fervorantly in favor of higher speeds having more actions... because from him, everyone that has higher speed has been able to do pretty much what he can (if not smaller versions..)
Why can't Spiderman (Who, under my system would have 3 actions a panel) not be able to Webswing after Green Goblin, Use Ranged Combat to Web his glider, and then put stones into Wallcrawling to plant himself on a wall to stop him from escaping? Nothing... He's done it before.
What you're saying is that he can't do that... because someone turned around and said "2 actions is a limitation" I'm saying, because I've seen it, there should be SOMETHING that allows me to do it besides sticking the Acceleration Advantage on my Speed or something....
We COULD turn around and make it a modifier... Calling Heightened Reflexes or something. Maybe at a +8 CL that would allow you to get an extra action per MN... Would that be more to your liking, even though it really doesn't make sense?
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 9, 2009 18:44:02 GMT -5
Flash can run at the speed of light. He has a Speed of 10... on the Flight Chart
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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 18:45:16 GMT -5
*shrugs* Doesn't answer anything else I've said.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 9, 2009 18:48:56 GMT -5
1) Flash is NOT THE MODEL. Thats a falsehood. Quicksilver is nowhere near Flashes level.
2) Spidey doesn't NEED to put stones into Wall-Crawling to stick to the wall, and a lot of times he won't need stones to web-sling.
3) Do you have any clue how abusable the concept you're pushing is? Really?
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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 18:53:03 GMT -5
Play test it and find out.
That's all I've been pushing for. I think we should at least play test each idea to see which ones make sense, and which dont.
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Post by soban on Feb 9, 2009 18:54:31 GMT -5
WK, it's not about speed, it's about his style. (Going really fast)
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 9, 2009 18:58:35 GMT -5
Play test it and find out. That's all I've been pushing for. I think we should at least play test each idea to see which ones make sense, and which dont. I've played in games without the action limit. Every single one went the same way. Panel 1: Everybody blows their energy wad, half the combatants are dead or unconscious Panel 2: Everybody takes a breather Panel 3: Whoever has the fastest Regeneration Rate wins the battle.
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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 19:04:13 GMT -5
But your word is just hearsay.... an actual Play Test would prove one of us right beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 9, 2009 19:06:09 GMT -5
*shrugs* Sorry, but for me its filed under "been there, done that, never going there again."
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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 19:19:31 GMT -5
You know... I had a douchebag remark set up, But I'm not an asshole...
We should at least play test it... If you're right, it will show itself VERY quickly, and we can move on.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 9, 2009 19:45:20 GMT -5
I don't see any way to fairly test it without it being weighted one way or another, and play testing is by its nature a loooooong term exercise. Thinking that problems will reveal themselves immediately if you playtest something is why we ended up with MURPG as it already exists.
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Post by Dionon on Feb 9, 2009 20:00:27 GMT -5
Then do a fight between Quicksilver and The Blob... the very two beings who are at the core of this argument... Blob only has 2 actions a panel, so he represents the system as it was...
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