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Post by Dionon on Feb 26, 2009 10:01:45 GMT -5
Eh, true, I just wanted to have examples of as varied as an amount of possibilities as I could... They weren't going to be listed as such (I mean there was going to be no Master archtype or anything) butit was going to be a guideline for us.
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Post by Neros on Feb 26, 2009 13:11:52 GMT -5
Don't forgot power armors.. Hmm.. Who should we choose?
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 26, 2009 13:16:14 GMT -5
Iron Man, an original Avenger ;D
Plus on the villain side you would no doubt have Doom. But as we've already discussed... Power Armor is going to be streamlined to fit in with the normal rules rather than having its own setup, so its not going to be such a big deal.
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Post by Neros on Feb 26, 2009 13:28:57 GMT -5
I know, but a super hero game without a Power Armor is not a real super hero game
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Post by malice on Feb 26, 2009 13:33:28 GMT -5
Iron Man, an original Avenger ;D Plus on the villain side you would no doubt have Doom. But as we've already discussed... Power Armor is going to be streamlined to fit in with the normal rules rather than having its own setup, so its not going to be such a big deal. Doom is good. He's a powered armor character with Magic, how much weirder can you get? And there were 42 characters in the original book. They represented the most popular as well as variations in what you could do with a character. I'll list them if someone wants.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 26, 2009 13:41:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying we shouldn't have PA characters in the book... especially given that Iron Man and Doom are as iconic as it gets for Marvel.
I'm just saying that I'm not entirely sold on the idea of selecting who would be in the book based on some sort of "archetype system."
If someone were up to the work, we could easily put 42 characters in... but my honest feeling regarding iconic characters is that no matter how you design them, some of their fans are going to disagree with the direction you went.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have sample characters; in fact I think its important that we do. I'm just saying that I don't think its wise to get caught up on how many we include or anything like that.
Let's include who we feel passionate about making, and lets include some that highlight some of the major changes we've made.
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Post by asawisemansaid on Feb 26, 2009 15:02:51 GMT -5
Need to add Dr. Strange, gotta have SOMEONE with mastery of Magic. Also I think Ironman is a must as an example of how we end up with powered armor builds.
One thing that might be a fair place to start would be breaking out a copy of Marvel Ultimate Alliance.If marvel thinks that is a good representation of popular characters from all the different archetypes I don't see who I am to argue. A few people there probably aren't necessary, but most are good choices
that would mean Spider-Man Captain America Iron man Thor Wolverine Human Torch Invisible Woman Thing Mr Fantastic Iceman Ms. Marvel Luke Cage Elektra Spider-Woman Deadpool Storm Black Panther Blade Daredevil Dr. Strange Ghost Rider Nick Fury Silver Surfer
Those were all in every version of the game (minus the crappy DS one). Some other characters were available on certain systems or downloadable.
Colossus Moonknight Black Widow Captain Mar-vell Hawkeye Ronin Cyclops Nightcrawler Hulk
I say grab Hulk, Nightcrawler, Cyclops and Hawkeye from the list, and cut Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, Blade and Elektra from the original list. I'd cut Nick Fury too, but I feel he would be useful to have for GM's as he is a great NPC type character. He gets things going. Personally I'd also throw in the rest of the original x-men, Prof X, Beast, Archangel, Phoenix. Id probably toss on Gambit too because he is ridiculously popular right now. Punisher would make my list too.
leaving: Spider-Man Captain America Iron man Thor Wolverine Human Torch Invisible Woman Thing Mr Fantastic Iceman Luke Cage Phoenix Prof. X Beast Archangel Cyclops Nightcrawler Hulk Hawkeye Punisher Storm Black Panther Daredevil Dr. Strange Ghost Rider Nick Fury Silver Surfer
That would be 27 people, it is a bit much, but i think everyone there has their merit.
Edit: The other good thing about this is it gives a good number of people for the major teams, a nice number of avengers through the years, solid x-men, even a few marvel defenders if that's your thing.
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 26, 2009 16:33:37 GMT -5
Ok. Here is a list in which I think has the best line up of the most popular characters and some of the most popular villains. Villains like Blob and Toad are in here because they help comprise the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. The following lists together comprise of 40 non/player characters. This is the same number of characters in which the original core MURPG book featured.
Although I do like the idea of limiting the amount of featured Marvel characters who are in the first MURPGv2 book… I do not think that limiting the number of characters to 40 will do the system justice. If you take a look there isn’t too much diversification in so called “good” characters and “bad.” For example… all but two of the 17 featured villains bellow are either iconic X-Men or Spider-Man enemies.
With that being said I think we might actually want to up the list to 60 characters. If indeed you wish to try and stay at 40 then I suggest we make some cuts right here right now.
Although I know many of you wish to have the original lineup of the X-Men and Avengers in the book, I personally feel that we can live without them to make room for more established or “popular” characters. I mean honestly besides original Avengers games how often would you like to play as Ant-Man or Wasp? I understand that Storm might not be part of the original X-Men, but she does have unique powers in which I believe should be addressed in the core MURPGv2 book.
I personally would like to have 60 featured Marvel characters. I would like to see the original Sinister Six featured in the book, as well as Thanos and Galactos. I know the last two named seem like they shouldn’t be included because of the extent of their power, but I believe we should feature such characters to show what could be possible in the game (which is why I chose to feature Mephistopheles in the below list) and how such an iconic character might be built.
All of that said I think in the best interest for the players and GM that we should feature under each character entry the exact amount of stones it took to build the character. This will help solve a lot of issues particularly when a GM wants to host a game and does not know how many stones he should allow the players to build with. If we give a listing of what could be possible for a specific amount I am sure we won’t have too many issues relating to over/power.
Well… without further adieu here is my list of established Marvel characters I think should be featured in MURPGv2’s core book.
GOOD: (23) Ant-Man (Henry Pym) Archangel Beast Black Panther Captain America (Do we want Steve or Bucky?) Cyclopes Daredevil Doctor Strange Ghost Rider Hulk Human Torch Invisible Woman Iron Man Jean Grey Mister Fantastic Punisher Silver Surfer Spider-Man Storm Thing Thor Wasp Wolverine
BAD: (17) Avalanche Blob Doctor Doom Doctor Octopus Green Goblin Juggernaut Kingpin Loki Magneto Mephistopheles Mystique Pyro Sabertooth Scarlet Witch Sentinels Toad Venom
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 26, 2009 17:22:23 GMT -5
Spider-Man Captain America Iron man Thor Wolverine Human Torch Invisible Woman Thing Mr Fantastic Iceman Luke Cage Phoenix Prof. X Beast Archangel Cyclops Nightcrawler Hulk Hawkeye Punisher Storm Black Panther Daredevil Dr. Strange Ghost Rider Nick Fury Silver Surfer That would be 27 people, it is a bit much, but i think everyone there has their merit. I like your list... but we do need some villians too!
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 26, 2009 17:32:57 GMT -5
Personally I don't care (because I'm not doing the work myself), but a lot of these people you guys have listed are totally unnecessary from the perspective of giving people a good set of initial characters...
Spider-Woman? Ghost Rider? Silver Surfer? Really?
I'm a huge Ghost Rider fan, but if we're going to put in everybody that anyone is a fan of, we're going to need to put in... well... everybody.
I think its best to stick to iconic characters with a proven track record, preferably choosing them along the lines of famous teams and the best solo books.
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Post by Goats on Feb 26, 2009 17:47:58 GMT -5
Heres my attempt then at a small list of heroes, just trying to help
Captain America (steve rogers) Wolverine Spider-Man Daredevil Sue Storm Johnny Storm The Thing Mr.Fantastic Iron Man Elektra Dr.Strange Hulk Thor Ant-Man Hawkeye
This has ALOT taken out I know, but tell me how you guys feel
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 26, 2009 17:50:55 GMT -5
I would add Wasp, Jean Grey, and Charles Xavier to that.
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Post by Goats on Feb 26, 2009 18:13:39 GMT -5
Captain America (steve rogers) Wolverine Spider-Man Daredevil Sue Storm Johnny Storm The Thing Mr.Fantastic Iron Man Elektra Dr.Strange Hulk Thor Ant-Man Hawkeye Wasp Jean Grey Charles Xavier
done and done, I was shooting for the evry iconic characters that all fill a niche , i may have missed some, but with just this list of heroes we've narrowed it down too 18 people
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 26, 2009 18:33:32 GMT -5
Spider-Woman? Ghost Rider? Silver Surfer? Really? I'm a huge Ghost Rider fan, but if we're going to put in everybody that anyone is a fan of, we're going to need to put in... well... everybody. Honestly... I think that Ghost Rider and Silver Surfer should be in the core book. I too am a fan of Ghost Rider... and I think that he should be placed in the initial book. … Why? Because out of those I have listed… the only other character who transforms is the Hulk. I’m looking for a variety as well as popularity. I am very disappointed that Ghost Rider never made it into any of the books. As far as Silver Surfer goes… again… aside from being one of the more popular Marvel characters I would like to show the varied application of character creation in MURPGv2! And also have a varied application of powers.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 26, 2009 18:36:42 GMT -5
Sure, but what does Surfer bring to the table in terms of showcasing the systems flexibility?
Silver Surfers abilities; Flight Force Blast Do Whatever Random Crap I Want To Do At Any Given Moment
I'm not seeing the showcase here...
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