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Post by toast on Feb 26, 2009 22:04:03 GMT -5
Here's my problem with doing the modern Marvel instead of "classic." Most of whats going on now will no longer be part of the canon within the next two years. Its just the nature of comic books that if you try to make something "up to date" you had better be ready to update it every 6 months (or less). WHEN (not if) they reboot things, they ALWAYS return to classic continuity, therefore the classics will always be the baseline. Of secondary importance, you do realize that doing CADs for characters based off of current interpretations would be extremely difficult. CAD: Hulk Immortal Unstoppable Stronger than everybody Don't even look at him wrong Yaay! What great stats... I agree. Look at what happened in the first book. Again I use Beast as an example. When TSR did Marvel the Hulk was like that and I still found players who wanted to play him. I am just saying, that if Marvel was doing this they would go with who was most popular in the current storylines and temper them to make them workable. This is why we have such weaker versions of both the Hulk and Cap. I for one always love the classics and they seem far more tempered than the current incanations anyway.
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Post by Dionon on Feb 27, 2009 0:35:32 GMT -5
Let's not go Silver Surfer... Not right now... We'll come out with a "Cosmic Entity" supplement later....
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 27, 2009 11:07:35 GMT -5
Let's not go Silver Surfer... Not right now... We'll come out with a "Cosmic Entity" supplement later.... Who would we put in then?
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 27, 2009 11:19:22 GMT -5
I still do not agree with droping Ghost Rider or Silver Surfer... but for the good of the comunity...
Keeping with those things in mind... I'm guessing the list of 40 would look like so:
GOOD: (21) Ant-Man (Henry Pym) Archangel Beast Black Panther Captain America (Do we want Steve or Bucky?) Professor Charles Xavier Cyclopes Daredevil Doctor Strange Hulk Human Torch Invisible Woman Iron Man Jean Grey Mister Fantastic Punisher Spider-Man Thing Thor Wasp Wolverine
BAD: (19) Avalanche Blob Doctor Doom Doctor Octopus Green Goblin Juggernaut Kingpin Loki Magneto Mephistopheles Mystique Pyro Sabertooth Scarlet Witch Sentinels Skrulls Toad Ultron Venom
Any more thoughts? Again which Captain America should we feature?
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Post by Dionon on Feb 27, 2009 11:29:57 GMT -5
Let's remove Angel from the Core... He's good and all, but I think Quicksilver should be there as an example of a Speedster character like he was in the original book.
No Mephisto.... He's too powerful for the basic game... Loki at least is containable... Mephisto has nigh unlimited powers that have NEVER been truly tested. Instead of him... how bout we reinstate Baron Mordo... He's much more controlable, and we don't have a Magical Villain besides the man with God-Like Powers
And no Skrulls... Instead of them, how bout just Super-Skrull... I don't want to have an entire race on a CAD.
Also.. Why is Scarlet Witch on the Villain list? As far as I know, she's an Avenger still (And is part of the new Mighty Avengers line up btw) Let's bound her to the Heroes list again, and maybe in her place on the villains list put someone like Absorbing Man... And, to add in another F4 Villain, how bout Annhilus?
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 27, 2009 11:54:01 GMT -5
Let's remove Angel from the Core... He's good and all, but I think Quicksilver should be there as an example of a Speedster character like he was in the original book. Angel is there because he is one of the original X-Men! He along with Cyclopes, Beast and Jean Grey! If you make a motion to have him dropped... then I will make one to drop Wasp! I kind of agree to a point. I just want to show the variety that the system has to offer. I also want an arch-villain motif of some sort up there and no one not even Magneto can really fill that role! People like Apocalypse, Galactos, Mephisto, ect. will always be questioned on paper because you can never really pin down all of their powers and have them listed on a CAD. If you want we can drop him and add Quicksilver. I have Dr. Doom on the list! But that's another option we can explore. Let's see what others have to say. The same reason why I have Sentinels on the “Bad” list instead of Master Mold. If you want we can do this, but I thought it best just to toss in some random baddies that have some numbers to them, that have a wide range of powers. I guess If you put in Super-Skrull, players and GMs can downgrade for a regular Skrull. Again let's see what others have to say. These really aren't a “Good” and “Bad” list. It's more of a standing alignment! People like Scarlet Witch and Dr. Strange do things and keep mainly to themselves. They usually worry about things pertaining mainly with them. However whereas Dr. Strange looks out for ways on protecting the Earth, people like Scarlet Witch slant things more selfishly towards her own ends for the most part. When last I knew she stripped all of the mutants of their power on M-Day!
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Post by Dionon on Feb 27, 2009 12:13:57 GMT -5
Well... Scarlet Witch is on the Mighty Avengers roster....
But.... Honestly, Sentinals I can see as a CAD as they are all identical with RARE exceptions. Skrulls are individuals, and while the regular Skrull can shapeshift, they can vary widely...
As for removing Angel, There reason I want to do that, and put Quicksilver in, is because Angel isn't representitive of any particular build as we have plenty of flyers. We need a Speedster....
And don't you go removing Wasp... She's one of our fliers.. besides, in terms of who's more important to Marvel History... She trumps Angel on any day ending in Y.
And the reason I don't want Mephisto or any other "Cosmic" being on the list, is because they're power are SUPPOSED to be unknown. Quantifying them limits their functionality as villains. In essence, as long as we don't CAD them, they have no limits, and a GM can play them that way.
We could always throw in Thanos (He's one of my favorite villains, and I would like the honor, once we're all done, of making HIS CAD personally)
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Post by malice on Feb 27, 2009 14:44:36 GMT -5
Angel/Archangel sucks. I'm all for pretending he doesn't even exist in Marvel canon.
"What's your power?"
"I'm pretty. I have pretty wings. My ooey gooey blood makes things pretty again."
"I'm bored"
Anyway he doesn't show up in the Main Guide, he's in the X-men guide. So let's leave him out of our starters.
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Post by Cernunnos on Feb 27, 2009 15:21:13 GMT -5
We could always throw in Thanos (He's one of my favorite villains, and I would like the honor, once we're all done, of making HIS CAD personally) Again... his powers are crazy! The only person probably able to stop him would be Silver Surfer... and even at that he needs a helping hand! As far as removing Angel... I vote on him staying! He has done a lot and been through a lot in the comics! Again... a founding member of the X-Men! Like I said you guys vote him off then I will vote to have Wasp taken off!
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Post by Goats on Feb 27, 2009 15:39:34 GMT -5
We could always throw in Thanos (He's one of my favorite villains, and I would like the honor, once we're all done, of making HIS CAD personally) Again... his powers are crazy! The only person probably able to stop him would be Silver Surfer... and even at that he needs a helping hand! As far as removing Angel... I vote on him staying! He has done a lot and been through a lot in the comics! Again... a founding member of the X-Men! Like I said you guys vote him off then I will vote to have Wasp taken off! I dont see the merit in wanting to keep Angel over Wasp, we are trying cover as many bases as we can while keeping the count to a minimum. Wasp is a needed character as she amply represents Flying(just like angel) Shrinking WITH the insect strength option, and a unique ability(talkting to insects) Yes, antman has these abilities as well, but if we stay in the now I would choose Wasp over Angel any day of the week, the only way I would be swayed to vote Angel would be of we were doing an X-men supplement I vote Wasp, in a nutshell
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Post by Dullahan on Feb 27, 2009 15:56:05 GMT -5
Guys, comprimise. Put them both in. There, problem solved.
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Post by asawisemansaid on Feb 27, 2009 16:06:13 GMT -5
it makes me laugh how the argument for keeping archangel is because he is an original x-man, but somehow Iceman isn't on the list. Massive oversight is MASSIVE. Also, I agree, about mordo over mephesto
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Post by Dionon on Feb 27, 2009 17:40:24 GMT -5
Right.... so we all agree.. Iceman is in.. Angel is out! I'm kidding....
I'll be honest, I don't care about covering all the original teams. What I care about is getting a broad sideview of the Powers and Core Characters of the Marvel Universe. Thanos fills that Arch Villain roll, and honestly, he's not SO powerful as you think... he's just got Technology on his side that makes him match the Surfer. The reason I don't want the Surfer is because of the Power Cosmic, which Thanos lacks.
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Post by Jet on Feb 28, 2009 7:15:31 GMT -5
Four pages of discussion and NOBODY mentions Namor or Nick Fury? For the love of god, they are two of the most influential characters in whole Marvel Universe, been with us since FRIGGIN Golden Age and remained important for 60 years. Plus, their stats are measureable and we see them in action often enough to call them important. And instead of them you argue over ANGEL? No offense to Angel, but he's just oh-I-so-dont-care compared to others on the list.
And Mephisto must go- nobody knows what his CAD should be and we'll probably end up with "Mastery of Reality 10" again, like with every single character like this. Some villains just dont have stats- they are just one big plot devices. Im talking about Mephisto, Collector, Galactus or Ego the Living planet and stuff. Why would you make their CAD's anyway? Either they'll end up being defeated much easier then you should or GM will just make sure they are beaten in different way then "smack till it brakes".
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Post by Dionon on Feb 28, 2009 7:23:51 GMT -5
You've got a point playah... though I thought I mentioned Namor.... Guess I wanted to but forgot... Yeah, Namor and Nick Fury would be a great idea for additions.
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