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Post by mako on Sept 14, 2006 20:42:27 GMT -5
Dr. Doom from the original book, with some powers/options from the second and third book.
EDIT: Added Time machine to list, and updated his actions a bit. Statecraft has an intelligence bonus, and a stipulation to help it reflect his kingdom's been overthrown before, but he always manages to get it back under control. Also threw in an intelligence bonus for Magic/Sorcery.
Name: Victor Von Doom
Alias: Doctor Doom, Dr. Doom
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 225 lbs.
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Skin: White
Gender: Male
Age: Unspecified
Species: Human
Abilities/P.A.*
INT/S.I: 8/5
STR: 2/5
AGI: 2/2
SPD: 2/4
DUR: 3/4
Health: 3/4
Energy: 9/12
Actions
Close Combat: 4
[Strength Bonus or Weapon Modifier]
-P.A. Combat
-Hand-to-Hand
-Fencing
Ranged Combat: 6
-P.A. Combat
Mastery of Magic/Sorcery: 5
[Intelligence Bonus]
-Reluctant to use
Technology/Invention: 7
[Intelligence Bonus]
Statecraft: 5
[Intelligence Bonus]
-Intelligence Bonus applies only when actively using Statecraft.
Social Skills: 5
-Regal Protocol
-Ambassadorial Protocol
-Authority
-Arrogance
-Intimidation
PA Force Field: 3
PA Flight: 4
PA Doom Bolts: 5
-Range 5
-x2 Damage
General Knowledge: 8
[Intelligence Bonus]
Modifiers
Appearance: Disfigured, always wears armor
Wealth: 8
Magical Defense: 5
PA Electrificution: (Optional) Free 4 stone counterattack
vs. anyone touching you.
PA Toughness: 4
PA Enviornment: Unlimited
+1 to energy regeneration in sunlight or high temperature
areas. Negated when Force Field is active.
Equipment
Doombots (At need): Look like and act like Doom, unless
in Doom's presence. Alone, they have values equal to
Doom's.
Blaster: 3
Used on those he feels unworthy of fighting with his
armor.
Robot guards in his kingdom.
Time Platform
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Post by Beacon on Sept 14, 2006 21:14:09 GMT -5
Couldn’t Statecraft be used to replace Leadership AND Social Skills? That seems to be what Black Panther did.
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Post by mako on Sept 15, 2006 16:53:06 GMT -5
Yeah, it does seem to be what he did, but I hadn't spotted that until you pointed it out. Not sure that's really something legit though. More or less, probably just their way of hedging their own 9 actions rule. But when you get to characters like Doom, you can't really set hard limits, because they're in their own league. Villain or not, he's worked wonders even by the Marvel Universe's standards. I kinda put him up on rank one on my personal list of favorites, and have my own take on him. I'd have tweaked him more, but I'm trying to be FAIR about this, not play favorites. So I've been going by Wikipedia and other site records PURELY, and not adding my two cents. The only omission, is I REFUSE to count that arc where Doom bartered with demons for magic power. Am I the only one who thinks they dropped the ball in that? But this isn't a debate about stories...
Let's get back to the topic. Any personal suggestions for the CAD revision aside from the Statecraft? Because, seeing Black Panther's CAD, I'm tempted to up Doom's Statecraft and/or throw on an Intelligence Bonus. Not insulting Black Panther, but Doom's got a lot more to deal with, had to deal with usurpers several times, and he's taken over the world several times. Black Panther has a 9, and runs a generally isolated country.
Doom has also made his Doombots, which most people hate because it makes comics notoriously questionable on which Doom is really him. They skip the fact there's proof he got completely inorganic robots, to be able to dupe telepaths, and perform complex magic, two things that are otherwise believed impossible even in Marvel.
What I'm saying, is do the original CAD numbers match up to this or not?
And please don't throw in that magic arc, there's no way I'm even going to consider that official since it spits in the face of Doom's character.
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Post by Andrew on Sept 15, 2006 20:29:34 GMT -5
Let's get back to the topic. Any personal suggestions for the CAD revision aside from the Statecraft? The first thing I would do is increase Doom's Intelligence to 9. This has always been my biggest gripe out of all of the published official profiles: how can Doctor Doom not be ranked at the same intelligence as Reed Richards? Another thing you might want to add is his Ovoid mind-switch trick. Maybe something like Telepathy with Transfer Minds and the Can't Read Minds disadvantage? That would also give him an almost-impenetrable Mental Defense (when you consider his Intelligence), which I think is appropriate. I'd also improve his Magical actions. Other than the story arc you mentioned (which was, admittedly, not Doom's finest hour), he has used magic effectively in a lot of other stories, and Mastery of Magic 5 doesn't really cut it. I would give him some Witchcraft as well as low-level Summoning. His armor has definitely featured a lot more devices than his profile currently includes, but I think his Inventing could cover that. Doom has the Wealth and skills to get whatever he needs, so his armor can be customized before each adventure. Just my opinion.  |
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Post by Beacon on Sept 15, 2006 20:40:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it does seem to be what he did, but I hadn't spotted that until you pointed it out. Not sure that's really something legit though. More or less, probably just their way of hedging their own 9 actions rule. If you can’t fudge the nine action limitation for guys like BP and Doom then who can you do it for? Guys like these are the reason some of the more versatile actions exist. He’s supposed to be the runner up for the position of Sorcerer Supreme but his CAD really doesn’t reflect it. Throw in Sorcery with a “reluctant to use” limitation (think Forge). Likewise, he’s supposed to be the second smartest man in the world but I see absolutely no General Knowledge to back up that. Specialties could include science, magic, history, and strategy. In spite of his high intelligence it also feels like he should have better mental defenses. Either her should take the mental defense modifier to represent his iron will or he should take an altered form of telepathy (can’t read minds) to take advantage of the free mental defense while using “swap minds” and “requires eye-contact” to simulate his Ovid Mind Transfer. While the shear number of his skills keep Powered Armor actions to a minimum, it might be worthwhile to play around with enhancing his armor. Some more PA modifiers (like EMPs?) or additional functions for his PA actions might come in handy. Considering that he has a high enough combined AN of intelligence and inventing (and thus can afford to invent a non-combat device with a metamorphosis AN of one), he almost certainly has the equivalent to a Kree Army Knife built into his gauntlets. Alternatively, you might just want to throw in a lot of portable equipment so he can grab whatever gadgets he needs for the situation at hand. Oh, and the time platform. You can’t have access to a time machine and not list it in your CAD.  1) Accuracy in terms of who is better than who in this game is kind of iffy to begin with. In the game Storm (who I always considered a joke of a leader in light of her handling of the Morlock situation) and Cyclops are both presented as better leaders than Captain America and I think we can all agree that is an error. Recent years have transformed Baron Helmut Zemo from an accomplished but rather generic master-villain into one of the best heroes (Anti-heroes? Anti-villains?) ever and he’s still presented with laughably low stats in terms of skill-based actions. 2) Who is the better ruler between PB and Doom is up for debate too. It could easily be argued that, in spite of his nation’s superior mineral resources, it’s because of the quality of T’Challa’s leadership and diplomacy that he doesn’t have to deal with revolts or invasions as often as Doom does. Doom is a phenomenal strategist but I have to say that he’s never stuck me as a very good leader or diplomat. What does that have to do with anything? He already has inventing. It makes a little more sense when you read Waid’s take on the character but his take isn’t the popular version and people are bound to roll their eyes at his belief that Doom is the way he is because he’s insecure (no matter how well reasoned the argument is). Still, even given Waid’s unique take on the character, wearing his ex’s skin was just too much. |
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Post by Kaimontfendo on Sept 15, 2006 23:23:45 GMT -5
Doom is alright the way he's written in the book, but this revision isn't bad. For his mind transfer, telepathy could work, AN 1, with the options mentioned, and Intelligence Bonus. Personally, I would leave it out of his stats, keeping it te plot device.
Oh, and you DO need to mention the time machine.
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Post by mako on Sept 16, 2006 15:56:03 GMT -5
Okay, edited the CAD. And left the mind transfer out. Not sure if Sorcery could do it or not.
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Post by polimorph on Apr 2, 2007 14:33:29 GMT -5
when was doom ever considered for the position of sorceror supreme? I don't recall that at all... Doctor doom only had limited magical knowledge. He was able to like shoot magic blasts and could travel to mephistos dimension and back, that's about it.
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Post by talismanhex on Apr 2, 2007 14:42:31 GMT -5
when was doom ever considered for the position of sorceror supreme? I don't recall that at all... Doctor doom only had limited magical knowledge. He was able to like shoot magic blasts and could travel to mephistos dimension and back, that's about it. I don't remember the name, but it was a Graphic Novel with Dr. Strange. They also freed Doom's mamma's soul. It was a really cool book. I got it twice and both time the glue on the book's spine failed and the books fell apart. |
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Post by polimorph on Apr 2, 2007 15:16:04 GMT -5
when was doom ever considered for the position of sorceror supreme? I don't recall that at all... Doctor doom only had limited magical knowledge. He was able to like shoot magic blasts and could travel to mephistos dimension and back, that's about it. I don't remember the name, but it was a Graphic Novel with Dr. Strange. They also freed Doom's mamma's soul. It was a really cool book. I got it twice and both time the glue on the book's spine failed and the books fell apart. and you are saying that doom was considered a runner up for sorceror supreme? that's just not right... he never had that much power unless he's been practicing and learning more recently... |
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Post by talismanhex on Apr 2, 2007 15:20:34 GMT -5
I don't remember the name, but it was a Graphic Novel with Dr. Strange. They also freed Doom's mamma's soul. It was a really cool book. I got it twice and both time the glue on the book's spine failed and the books fell apart. and you are saying that doom was considered a runner up for sorcerer supreme? that's just not right... he never had that much power unless he's been practicing and learning more recently... The way Doctor Strange put it was Doom was more like a natural. You see the premise in the beginning, was that once in so many years the sorcerers get together to duel for the right to become Sorcerer Supreme. Doom won, but couldn't beat Strange( if I am remembering this right). Doom explained to Strange is mother's problem, so Strange trained Doom a little and the 2 went to hell to save her soul. It was a cool issue. |
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Post by polimorph on Apr 2, 2007 15:26:10 GMT -5
and you are saying that doom was considered a runner up for sorcerer supreme? that's just not right... he never had that much power unless he's been practicing and learning more recently... The way Doctor Strange put it was Doom was more like a natural. You see the premise in the beginning, was that once in so many years the sorcerers get together to duel for the right to become Sorcerer Supreme. Doom won, but couldn't beat Strange( if I am remembering this right). Doom explained to Strange is mother's problem, so Strange trained Doom a little and the 2 went to hell to save her soul. It was a cool issue. well that makes more sense. But I doubt doom would ever be able to take up the mantle of sorceror supreme... that's my opinion. |
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Post by talismanhex on Apr 2, 2007 15:28:12 GMT -5
The way Doctor Strange put it was Doom was more like a natural. You see the premise in the beginning, was that once in so many years the sorcerers get together to duel for the right to become Sorcerer Supreme. Doom won, but couldn't beat Strange( if I am remembering this right). Doom explained to Strange is mother's problem, so Strange trained Doom a little and the 2 went to hell to save her soul. It was a cool issue. well that makes more sense. But I doubt doom would ever be able to take up the mantle of sorceror supreme... that's my opinion. He has in a couple of What ifs. |
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Post by polimorph on Apr 2, 2007 15:35:08 GMT -5
well that makes more sense. But I doubt doom would ever be able to take up the mantle of sorceror supreme... that's my opinion. He has in a couple of What ifs. I can see that in a what if but I don't see it happening mainstream... and if it did, I am not sure doom could hold off forces like dormammu... |
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Post by talismanhex on Apr 2, 2007 15:39:15 GMT -5
He has in a couple of What ifs. I can see that in a what if but I don't see it happening mainstream... and if it did, I am not sure doom could hold off forces like dormammu... I don't know. Doom wants to dominate the world he wouldn't let Dormammu have it without a fight. He is more magical now so he may have a shot. Plus he would do anything to defeat someone trying to steal his thunder and may be able to get some allies to use to get to the end. |
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