Indiana Jones or James Bond?

[Night Hawk]

Anyone ever wonder what it would look like if Indiana Jones or James Bond was converted into a CAD? I have, Anyone want to help me make a CAD for these 2?

[hellraiser]

Name: Indiana Jones
Real Name: Junior Jones

Intelligence: 5
Strength: 2
Agility: 3
Speed: 2
Durability: 3
Energy: 9

Close Combat: 5 (+agl) or (+wpn)
- Brawling
- Whip
- Hazardous situations
- Outnumbered

Ranged Combat: 4 (+wpn)
- Handgun

Acrobatics: 2 (+agl)

Horsemanship: 4

Vehicle Operation: 5
- Motorcycles
- Airplanes
- Chases
- Stunts

Hunting/Tracking: 5
- Spot/Set up trap
- Spot/Set up ambush
- Outdoor Survival
- Hiding
- Move silently

Archeology: 8
- Old Tombs
- Hidden Vaults
- Lost Civilizations
- Ancient Languages
- Cryptic Riddles
- Powerful Artifacts
- Secret Passages
- Hidden Mechanisms

Social skills: 5
- Seduction
- Criminals
- Streetwise
- University protocols
- Teaching

General Knowledge: 4 (+int)
- History
- Geography
- Anthropology
- Linguistics

Modifiers
Toughness: 1
Dodge: 3
Hard worker: 3 (bonus to Archeology)
Wealth (4)

Equipment
Hat: Luck (balanced) 1
Whip: 1 (to Close Combat and Acrobatics)
Handgun: 2 (x2 damages)

Challenges
Phobia (serpents)
Compulsion to stick up for underdogs
Deadly enemies (treasure thieves)
Vulnerable loved ones (women, kids, father, ...)
Code of Honor (seek knowledge, not money nor power)

[spook]

Nice, very nice. Isn't his "real" name Henry Jones junior? Indiana was their dog.

[ZehnWaters]

Yeah, it should be Henry Jones Jr.

[WildKnight]

Errr... I don't know that I agree with his "code of honor"... Indiana Jones IS a thief. Pay close attention to the first and second movies. He's very mercenary in his behavior. Just because he prefers to sell to museums rather than to Nazi's doesn't mean he's against turning a profit (in point of fact, he's clearly NOT against turning a profit. Watch Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, or read... uh, just about any Indiana Jones book)

[jeffhazelwood]

And for James Bond which version, as in which movie/ actor?

[spook]

Timothy Dalton!

[WildKnight]

For the most part, James Bond's basic skillset remains the same except for in the new Daniel Craig movies. The only thing that changes dramatically from actor to actor is his personality and behavior.

Of course, Sean Connery's Bond should have a special Modifer... +12 stones to all actions after being captured.

[hellraiser]

Henry Jones Jr. Ah! i didn't know that his dad always called him Junior

[honestiago]

I don't know that you can call Jones a mercenary, since he does, in a sense work for the museum (or the idea of the museum). A mercenary is in it for profit alone, isn't he? This would mean Indy would work for anyone. I ask because I never considered the question before. That said, the "Code of Honor" might simply read "will only sell items to museums." There has to be something there, code-wise, as the third movie does have him tracking down an artifact years after its original appearance. Then again, maybe the challenge is "REALLY hates to lose," or better yet "pursuit bordering on obsession?"

Bond=Connery all the way. The new Bond is the cipher of a sociopathic archetype. He has no charm, little personality, and generates very little sympathy, IMHO. When it comes to Bond, If I have the choice between verisimilitude and cartoony, I'll take the latter. The new Bond pictures remind me a lot of when superheroes were first being deconstructed. We gained some things, but we lost some things, as well -- some forever.

[WildKnight]

Actually, Indie doesn't work for a museum. He works for many museums. A mercenary with preferred clients is still a mercenary. There are actually several private military corporations in the United States that will not take on any missions against the interests of the U.S... but they still do what they do for money.

Indiana Jones is not nearly as noble as it makes him seem to say that he a "code of honor." Theres really not that much that Indiana Jones won't do, and he certainly is quite willing to work with and for very seedy characters (the Chinese mob at the start of Temple of Doom)

Unless you're going to qualify basic morality like his unwillingness to work with Nazis, then the guy doesn't operate on a code. And if you ARE going to qualify stuff like that, then EVERY hero has a "code of honor."

At any rate, the mention of him working for "knowledge, not money" needs to be removed, as its directly contradicted by the primary source. Indiana Jones definitely works for money.

[honestiago]

Use of the word mercenary implies the primary motivation is money. I think you can argue that Indy is not solely driven by money, nor even primarily by money. You cite only a single example of him working for a seedy organization (Chinese mafia), for which he receives payment. Receiving payment for a service does not prove that your primary motivation was profit. Further, there are plenty of examples of motivations above and beyond profit. For example, Indy pursued the grail to save his father. He also spent much of "Raiders" seeking out the arc for the sake of doing so. In that film, there is a revealing sequence in which Beloc, Indy's rival, and clearly painted as mercenary by his affiliation with the Nazi's, makes a point of drawing a conclusion about his and Indy's fascination with archeology, using his watch as an example ("bury it for a thousand years, it's priceless," or something of that nature). Yet, despite Beloc's assertion that he and Indy are the same, it is obvious to us (and them) that they are not. Further, if it were all about money, why wouldn't Indy simply retrieve the Shankara stones in Temple of Doom, and not worry about the slave children. He brings them back to the village. He returns the STONE to the village, clearly an honorable act for which he got paid nothing.

I don't know that this proves he has a code of honor. But I think it's sufficient to refute the assertion that he "works for money." It is entirely possible he seeks knowledge, and happens to get paid handsomely. To interpret him the other way is to see him as someone who seeks a contract first, the object of the contract later. I firmly believe the opposite is true, and that the film cannon bears this out. I can't vouch for anything outside the films, however.

[ZehnWaters]

Apr 17, 2009 13:05:17 GMT -5 honestiago said:

Bond=Connery all the way. The new Bond is the cipher of a sociopathic archetype. He has no charm, little personality, and generates very little sympathy, IMHO. When it comes to Bond, If I have the choice between verisimilitude and cartoony, I'll take the latter. The new Bond pictures remind me a lot of when superheroes were first being deconstructed. We gained some things, but we lost some things, as well -- some forever.

I agree with you a lot as far as Comics go. James...Definitely Daniel Craig. I completely disagree with him having no sympathy. He had that too tough to want to show it pain. You see it in his eyes. I never thought I'd say this but...I actually like him the best.

Wow...that came out a lot gayer than I had wanted. Anyway. I like Daniel Craig.

[WildKnight]

Apr 17, 2009 16:59:24 GMT -5 honestiago said:

I don't know that this proves he has a code of honor. But I think it's sufficient to refute the assertion that he "works for money." It is entirely possible he seeks knowledge, and happens to get paid handsomely. To interpret him the other way is to see him as someone who seeks a contract first, the object of the contract later. I firmly believe the opposite is true, and that the film cannon bears this out. I can't vouch for anything outside the films, however.

No. You ASSUME that the film canon bears this out. Nowhere, ever, is it implicitly stated in any of the films that knowledge is his primary motivation. However, the fact that legitimate archaeology would provide FAR more knowledge than stealing and selling artifacts, which IS implicitly stated in the films to be Indiana Jones' business, heavily contradicts your entire point.

I'm not sure whats with the desire to paint Indiana Jones as some kind of Paladin-esque good guy. He's clearly meant to be a morally ambiguous character with a heart of gold (just like the other two characters that have made Harrison Ford famous; Han Solo and Jack Ryan).

Bottom line; it IS clearly stated in the movies that Indiana Jones SELLS artifacts to those who pay him well to do so. Nothing in the films whatsoever indicates that his "field work" is something he does out of a passion for knowledge.

Being really smart (which he is) is a very different thing from putting knowledge before money.

[spook]

I would argue that Connery/Moore Bonds should be different from Craig/Dalton bonds. C/M always stuck me more like gentleman/assasin type (Higher social skills, maybe nerve punch or something) while Craig/Dalton is more... well. Brawler. Less social, but better and more versatile in old fashioned hand to hand. Of course, times have changed, and nobody wants Bond to nerve punch goons anymore.