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Post by WildKnight on Feb 5, 2011 6:51:29 GMT -5
I know we had a thread for this but I was too lazy to look for it. I just watched the new episode, and I've gotta ask what the hell they were thinking.
Superman is a jerk with no compassion for Superboy, and Batman, of all people, is the voice of reason telling everyone that there's no shame in asking for help???
Stupid typewriter monkeys. Very stupid.
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Post by Rinjo on Feb 5, 2011 8:35:43 GMT -5
Batman always asks for help... ... ... ... From his lead lined gloves!!!
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 11, 2011 11:48:22 GMT -5
The reason: Batman's movies are hits. Superman's was a flop. Same reason why Iron Man is leading the Avengers in Mightiest Heroes.
I still really like this show; by far the best super hero show on at the moment. I can barely stand Ms. Martian, though. Ugh. I cringe every time she says "Hello, Meggan!" Also, not loving Robin's bizarre obsession with semantics.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 11, 2011 11:56:19 GMT -5
The reason: Batman's movies are hits. Superman's was a flop. Same reason why Iron Man is leading the Avengers in Mightiest Heroes. I still really like this show; by far the best super hero show on at the moment. I can barely stand Ms. Martian, though. Ugh. I cringe every time she says "Hello, Meggan!" Also, not loving Robin's bizarre obsession with semantics. ~TWF Yep.
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Post by Jet on Feb 11, 2011 12:39:51 GMT -5
"Hello Megan" got old, well, the second time she said that. Hopefully she wont be saying that anymore (who am I kidding? Its a catchphrase, it'll be at least twice per episode. Gah).
Robin is okay, although Im not sure I like his weird laughter. As if he was trained by Joker before becoming boy-wonder.
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 11, 2011 14:41:11 GMT -5
I really don't like that they've relegated Robin to the teams IT guy. That may actually annoy me more than M'ggan's airhead act.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 11, 2011 15:07:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the laughter is a little silly. You can see it coming, and it feels like he's doing it way too intentionally. And yeah, IT guy is a weird role. I guess he's still the best of the team, but..
It's early yet, though. It will all feel forced for a while, until they really start to have their own adventures. We haven't even seen whatsherface with the bow yet.
~TWF
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 20, 2011 13:46:22 GMT -5
Can you survive all 10 minutes?
~TWF
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Post by Beacon on Feb 20, 2011 14:12:19 GMT -5
I’m generally a few weeks behind on the show because I usually have to wait for them to put it on the CN site.
I’m actually enjoying it though I will admit that I have some complaints.
The biggest one is the name. They have a team that’s clearly the Teen Titans using the name of a Peter David action/comedy comic series to avoid confusion with an earlier comedy/action Teen Titans cartoon. If they’re going to call it “Young Justice” then they need to replace Miss Martian* with Secret, Artemis with Arrowette, Wally with Bart, ect. Otherwise they really should have gone with “Titans” or something.
*Please god, get rid of Miss Martian.
(I really don’t see a problem with their Batman though.)
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Post by Jet on Feb 20, 2011 17:49:06 GMT -5
Im fine with the roster. Artemis might make for some good story (given her background in comics. Lets be honest- Arrowette didnt have a good bio in comics, she made up by having a cool story arc instead), Secret is long forgotten by anyone who isnt a big YJ fan (like I am) and Wonder Girl... I guess they still have some legal issues that prevents her from being used (they couldnt use her for Teen Titans, they wanted though). And Wally/Bart thing- meh, doesnt make much difference, just as it doesnt make much difference with the whole Robin Dick/Tim stuff. I was upset at first (seeing as Tim Drake is my favourite DC character), but nothing so far makes me feel any difference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 18:57:22 GMT -5
The creators said in an interview they plan on killing one of the members during the series. They (of course) did not say which one, but they clearly said someone would be killed off. Looking at the line up, I'm still not sure who that's going to be.
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Post by Beacon on Feb 20, 2011 19:23:24 GMT -5
Secret is obscure, sure. However Aqualad is pretty obscure too and they used him (albeit a different version) and I suspect this cartoon is the only reason anyone will remember Miss Martian ten years from now. Plus, the plots of the old YJ comics were so driven by her character that it just feels wrong not to have her in a cartoon with the same name.
I kinda get the lack of Arrowette since her arc would be too similar to this version of Speedy’s. I think she has a GREAT bio but the kinds of kids that are most likely to relate to her backstory are probably too busy with piano recitals and children’s beauty pageants to be watching cartoons. Also, Artemis has potential so I can forgive Cissy’s absence more than some others.
However, given where they seem to be going with Artemis, it’s a bit hard to buy that legal issues are what’s keeping Wonder Girl away. Then again, they could just be counting on a mostly male demographic and decided to combine Arrowette and Wonder Girl into one character so the team wouldn’t be half girls.
Maybe it’s just that my viewing it at the mercy of whatever CN decides to stream but I actually assumed that this Robin WAS Tim. Is it like the last Teen Titans cartoon where Robin is whoever we want him do be (I figured Dick but I don’t thing they ever said it)?
The difference between Wally (even the less mature 70s/80s version that they seem to be pulling from in the cartoon)* and old-school Bart is pretty massive. Actually, I think the difference personifies the tonal difference between the YJ cartoon and comic.
*Since the series seems to be more Teen Titans than Young Justice, I’m wondering if Wally/Meg will end as badly as Wally/Raven. I mean, no one can be as stupid as Miss Martian seems to be. Right? Right?
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Post by Jet on Feb 20, 2011 19:51:54 GMT -5
Secret isnt just an obscure character- she's no longer active. YJ began when they found her (back when it wasnt a regular series) and ended with her losing her powers (technically their real end was the awful "Graduation Day" cross with Teen Titans, but I digress). Also, you answered your own question- YJ comics was very Secret-driven. If she was in cartoon, they'd probably would have to do the same thing, which limits their writing.
Arrowettes backstory is as follows: her mom was the first Arrowette, had a romance with Green Arrow back in Golden Age. She was trained by her mother to be just like her, but better. Cissy may or may not be GA's daughter, but nobody cares. Not really all that awesome, but again- they compensated for it by a great character development for her in the series. And once it was over, she was forgotten. Huzzah, DC, thank you for emo-Titans again.
Bart is way too awesome for this cartoon. Also, way too easy to mess up and turn his cool atributes into most annoying ones. Plus, the team needed a romancing male type- Robin is too young, Aqualad is a straight man and Superboy is asexual at best (at least right now).
Also, my bets on the killed one will be the least popular character, so hopefully- Miss Martian. Fandom WILL rejoice (she'll be back, and first thing they say to her will be "Hello M'gann", much to everyones chagrin).
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 20, 2011 23:05:54 GMT -5
Interesting. The show only seems to be flirting with the kind of depth that would do a main character death justice. If they killed someone off, I'd put money on Artemis, as she's the 6th ranger right now. Possibly Speedy, if he counts.
If Joss Whedon were writing, he'd take out Kid Flash, as he's sort of the heart of the team. I don't think the writers are quite that ballsy, though. I think the next best thing is to have Kid Flash come around to liking Artemis, then kill kill Artemis for the standard angst one-two punch.
Another possibility is killing Calder or Superboy, who represent the most mature and arguably most powerful members of the team, which could be one of those humbling "what hope do the rest of us have?" blows, but that would probably entail a resurrection of some kind. Messy. My money is still on Artemis.
~TWF
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Post by dracons on Feb 20, 2011 23:54:16 GMT -5
Heh, the death will be Robin, who returns from life as Nightwing. Then another Robin joins, who's alot more angry all around. He learns his mother is in danger by a supervillain. Said Supervillain kills him in front of the young justice. Third Robin joins, and all is well with the universe as Tim Drake is the greatest Robin.
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