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Post by Beacon on Nov 12, 2011 13:03:53 GMT -5
Just saw the new episode. Nice to see that last week’s “all just a dream” episode had some actual repercussions. Most of the therapy sessions were pretty predictable though still well handled (especially Aqualad deciding to stay on as leader because he doesn’t think the others are up to it).
Robin’s was particularly interesting. It really confirmed what I’ve been saying all along. No matter what name they’re using here, he’s more Tim Drake than anything (though he does seem to be treating “Robin” as a performance like Dick would). This kid is too smart to want to be Batman.
My eyes tend to glaze over when dealing with Fourth World stuff that isn’t Darksied, Mister Miracle, or Big Barda so I was pretty bored with Superboy’s Forever People side story.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 12, 2011 13:10:36 GMT -5
Uh... what???
The whole "I just realized I don't want to be Batman" thing is PURE Dick Grayson. He said that before there WAS a Tim Drake. That revelation has been a recurring theme with Dick for as long as I've been reading comics.
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Post by Beacon on Nov 13, 2011 0:52:46 GMT -5
Dick is every son who claims he doesn’t want to be his father but ends up in his father’s place anyway. For all his attempts to get away from Batman, he always comes back to him. Dick was a different Batman but was still Batman for at least two extended periods. He became Batman because he couldn’t trust anyone else to be Batman*.
Jason wants to become Batman pretty badly. That’s why he’d be terrible as it. Well, that and the fact that he’s a psycho thug.
Tim was always too well-adjusted to really fit in with the rest of the Batfamily. He knows he’s the obvious successor to Bruce as the World’s Greatest Detective but that doesn’t mean he intends to do it as Batman. He’s said on several occasions that he doesn’t want to be Batman. Unlike Dick, he doesn’t don a cowl anyway as soon as Bruce is out of commission. When Bruce was crippled Tim kept being Robin. When Bruce was “dead” Tim decided to GO LOOKING FOR BRUCE.
Steph doesn’t give a damn about Batman because she thinks he’s a manipulative jerk. She’s on the short list (along with Alfred, Jim Gordon, and sometimes Dick) of people who would say it to Bruce’s face.
Damian thinks the Batman identity is his birthright. He’s basically a younger, more arrogant Jason.
*Comic Dick has more in common with YJ Aqualad than YJ Robin from a pure responsibility point of view.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 13, 2011 8:04:11 GMT -5
Dick is every son who claims he doesn’t want to be his father but ends up in his father’s place anyway. For all his attempts to get away from Batman, he always comes back to him. Dick was a different Batman but was still Batman for at least two extended periods. He became Batman because he couldn’t trust anyone else to be Batman*. ... and what happened after each of those extended periods? He had a revelation that being Batman was NOT his destiny. He does not want to be Batman.
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Post by Beacon on Nov 13, 2011 22:27:12 GMT -5
Dick is every son who claims he doesn’t want to be his father but ends up in his father’s place anyway. For all his attempts to get away from Batman, he always comes back to him. Dick was a different Batman but was still Batman for at least two extended periods. He became Batman because he couldn’t trust anyone else to be Batman*. ... and what happened after each of those extended periods? He had a revelation that being Batman was NOT his destiny. He does not want to be Batman. …but Dick is still willing to be Batman if the need arises … as opposed to Tim who obviously sees being Batman as someone else’s job.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 14, 2011 7:16:21 GMT -5
... and what happened after each of those extended periods? He had a revelation that being Batman was NOT his destiny. He does not want to be Batman. …but Dick is still willing to be Batman if the need arises … as opposed to Tim who obviously sees being Batman as someone else’s job. Great, but that doesn't suggest that the character in the show is Tim with Dick's name. Dick doesn't want to be Batman, either... and he certainly doesn't approach his relationships with his teammates the way Batman does (and that's been the case since... well since before Crisis on Infinite Earths...) There certainly is plenty to suggest that Robin in the show is Tim Drake with the serial numbers filed off (computer hacking, pants...), but the whole "I don't want to be Batman" thing isn't part of it. Jason Todd is probably the only Robin that ever wanted to be Batman (which is why he's a jackass)
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Post by takewithfood on Nov 19, 2011 10:09:11 GMT -5
For those who missed it, Episode 18, "Secrets", is not yet up on YouTube, but I've found it elsewhere. I really dig this version of Artemis. ~TWF
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Post by Beacon on Nov 19, 2011 13:29:54 GMT -5
Well, this was another one that was all over the place.
Loved: Robin seems to know EVERYTHING about Artemis but Aqualad knows even less than Speedy.
Reign of the Supermen era Superboy costume!
Captain Marvel in general.
Liked: Zatanna took all of two seconds to figure out Superboy and Miss Martian are a couple. Artemis was just too close to notice it (and Wally is Wally).
The costumes. The superheroes are the only ones not dressed as superheroes. Conner is putting fourth the absolute minimum effort. Megan isn’t even trying to hid who she is anymore.
Artemis in general.
Hated: Marvin. The Wonder Twins suck even when they aren’t the Wonder Twins.
They reduced years of mystery surrounding the comic versions of Secret and Harm into a half hour ghost story.
How is Roy the only one that has noticed that there’s something off with Megan? Shame on you, Batman and Robin! Shame!
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 22, 2011 6:58:23 GMT -5
I don't know that it's fair to say that Batman doesn't know. Batman likes to hold his cards close to his chest, traditionally. Admittedly, it's been a while since I read the Justice League regularly, but I remember Batman frequently saying after the fact "sadly, I knew all along." We just don't know what his agenda is.
Robin (Dick Grayson Robin, anyway) is excused IMO for the fact that he is Dick Grayson. One of the things that makes him special is the fact that despite being Batman's first protoge', he has never really embraced Batman's paranoia and distrust of others. Dick Grayson has always been open and yeah, a bit too trusting.
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Post by Hypester on Nov 22, 2011 10:21:33 GMT -5
True, and just to nitpick, Marvin isn't a Wonder Twin, but he is from Superfriends.
I really liked that meeting with the league and a few of the kids. It seemed like the 'right' mix of people. I liked that more than anything. I was pretty upset that no one called Conner on his big ol' "S." That was odd to me. And it was kinda sad that Bumblebee was in her superhero costume just for halloween, but alas.
I like this Drake-ish Grayson here. I liked him more when he was Damien-ish in the pilot though. More hacking and snickering please.
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Post by Beacon on Nov 22, 2011 14:45:29 GMT -5
I keep saying that he’s Dick Grayson in name only. My “Robin is performance art” theory aside, YJ Robin seems to take a lot more from Tim and Damian than Dick.
Comic Dick Grayson is better with people than Batman. YJ Robin is arguably worse.
Comic Tim Drake might just be a better detective than Batman. YJ Robin is no slouch himself. He’s been dropping hints (and just outright stated in the last episode) that he knew something was off with Artemis. However he seems to have a Martian-shaped blind spot.
As for Batman, I know he’s not one to show all his cards but it’s weird that he’d point out that Superboy is a potential sleeper but wouldn’t entertain the theory that Miss Martian isn’t who she claims to be.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 22, 2011 15:43:20 GMT -5
I keep saying that he’s Dick Grayson in name only. My “Robin is performance art” theory aside, YJ Robin seems to take a lot more from Tim and Damian than Dick. Yes, you keep on claiming that... and then complaining whenever he does something that is indicative of him actually being Dick Grayson. Seems a lot more like you WANT him to be Dick Grayson in name only.
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Post by Beacon on Nov 22, 2011 23:10:21 GMT -5
No. I’m just trying to figure out the behavior of the cast member with the least obvious characterization.
(Seriously, it’s easier to figure out what’s going on in the robot’s head)
Mostly I just want him NOT to be Jason.
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Post by Thuellai on Nov 22, 2011 23:38:56 GMT -5
Pretty sure he's not Jason. He's got Tim elements but I have no trouble believing him as Dick - They used more modern elements from Tim because those more modern elements are what people recognize. It's nothing more complicated than that.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 22, 2011 23:46:31 GMT -5
I would say that in the premiere he was a pre-reboot (read: non psychotic) Damian/Tim mashup, but now he's pretty much all Dick Grayson with Tim's tech savvy.
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