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Post by OurLadyWar on May 25, 2011 10:08:33 GMT -5
I think that was the plan, but Aronofsky has since walked
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Post by WildKnight on May 25, 2011 10:14:43 GMT -5
I think that was the plan, but Aronofsky has since walked I know that's a big thing to you, but to me its meaningless. I've seen movies I really enjoyed from some of the most supposedly crappy directors of all time (except Uwe Boll... that guy legitimately cannot make an entertaining film), and I've seen some movies by guys that were supposedly brilliant that sucked so bad it made my hair fall out (that's the excuse I'm now using for my thinning hair). I think just about anybody could do a better job with the X-Men franchise than Fox has done. The X-Men movies are to X-Men comics what inarticulate whining is to genuine criticism.
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Post by takewithfood on May 30, 2011 12:25:07 GMT -5
Advanced reviews are coming out for First Class: and they're very positive. Out of 20 reviews so far, it's currently sitting at 100% at Rotten Tomatoes, with a very high average rating of 8.1. I am x-tremely astonished by these uncanny reviews. ^__~ ~TWF
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Post by Brainstem on May 30, 2011 13:33:13 GMT -5
I'd love to see Aronofsky do a super hero film; his style would really work for it. I know he was attached to Watchmen at first, but they scrapped him because he wanted to make it in a contemporary setting.
If Aronofsky were to do any super hero, I'd like to see him at the helm of Silver Surfer or Doctor Strange... something that can really benefit from his style.
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Post by OurLadyWar on May 31, 2011 20:48:08 GMT -5
What I really dig about Aronofsky is his attention to the small things. In "Black Swan", his focus on the veteran dancer's back when she is stretching, the way Natalie Portman prepares her shoes, and the way her rib gets pressured during the physical therapy scene highlighted other facets of Portman's life in the film. Same with "The Wrestler"; Mickey Rourke wrapping his hands, and other routines to prepare for his matches. All these little things are small bits that weren't in the original script, a lot of these are added by Aronofsky. Seeing him bring those little nuances and details to a character with a history as sordid as Wolverine's would have been cool. The dude loves his character studies, and it would have been cool to see his study of Wolverine. But, eh, I guess there's no point in mourning what hasn't passed, right?
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Post by takewithfood on May 31, 2011 23:25:56 GMT -5
Well, if this X-Men reboot is a success, we may get to see a full reboot of the entire X-Men franchise. It's bad news for Hugh Jackman, though.. this does not bode well for his career as Wolverine.
~TWF
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Post by Brainstem on May 31, 2011 23:30:41 GMT -5
Wait, are the implications here that we could have an X-Men series without Wolverine in any role of importance?
I'm getting giddy just thinking about it.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 1, 2011 5:55:42 GMT -5
There is no way that anyone would attempt an X-Men series w/o Wolverine. Maybe w/o Jackman (but I doubt even that, given his popularity in the role, something I personally cannot fathom)
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 1, 2011 7:55:48 GMT -5
Given how poorly the Wolverine movie was received, I think he may have been booted back down to "highly anticipated cameo", and even then, I don't see Jackman reprising his role. You don't reboot a franchise and then bring back some elements from the previous movies.
Right now, the producer people must be talking about sequels already. Without seeing the film I can't really speculate much about where they might be headed, but I wouldn't be surprised if they started talking New X-Men at some point. Maybe third movie?
I'm going to see it Sunday, and I'm really looking forward to it now.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 1, 2011 8:25:42 GMT -5
I was under the impression that this was not, in fact, a reboot. It was meant to be part of the same series as the previous 4 films, which is why they had to go with the extremely odd team choice, rather than going with more traditional and obvious choices (like, y'know... the REAL original X-Men...)
At any rate, assuming that this is a reboot, etc... I still don't see them mounting a successful movie series w/o Wolverine. 1 movie, sure. An entire series? Doubtful. Wolverine IS the X-Men franchise right now, as much as I loathe that fact.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 1, 2011 9:30:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I think they were planning initially on this being part of the cannon timeline, but I read somewhere that that changed sometime during production. They want to distance themselves from the old movies, to the point of retelling what they need to. The Deadpool and Runaways movies have also been open about ignoring the previous X-Men movies.
I think the biggest kicker will be whether there will be any connection between the Avengers movie(s) and the X-Men movies. If Avengers decides to totally ignore the X-Men, then it doesn't matter.. but if they want any interaction at all, they're probably going to have to pick.
I bet Jackman is hoping to get his Wolverine into an Avengers sequel.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that even the Wolverine sequel is trying to distance itself from the original. Both Jackman and director Darren Arafonsky have stressed that it's going to be "very different", and more of a one-shot Wolverine movie than a "sequel". And I'm glad, because there is potential for another Jackman/Wolverine movie to not suck if they stop thinking of it as just another action flick, and think of it as a movie about friggin' Wolverine.
~TWF
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Post by pgholland on Jun 1, 2011 9:37:35 GMT -5
I was reading interviews with the cast- First Class is intended to be 1 part of a 3 part series that ends where X-Men started.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 1, 2011 9:42:57 GMT -5
I was just mining the Wiki article about Origins: Wolverine for quotes, and discovered that Arafonsky bowed out of the Wolverine sequel. Looks like it might be dead in the water (dead in the deadpool?).
EDIT: Still trying to find the thing I read about the First Class people trying to distance themselves from the X-Men movies. They talked about how it started as Origins: Magneto, but quickly became its own entity, and while they didn't go out of their way to disrupt the continuity, they feel that they have something genuinely good with First Class and they're going to do it right, even if that means stepping on some toes. It was something to that effect but I don't know where I read it. Maybe I imagined it. lol
~TWF
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Post by Rushlock on Jun 3, 2011 22:11:08 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it, overall B+, spoilers ahead......
SPOILERS!!!!!
Moira being American, fail. Pixie being Angel, and even being in the movie, fail. White Queen's execution/appearnce, fail. Havok hula-hooping, fail. Xavier having hair, ever, god damn fucking fail.
Other than that, it exceded all my expectations. Wolvie cameo was great, very surprising in a PG-13 movie.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 5, 2011 18:49:51 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. Had to share my thoughts immediately..
SPOILERS HERE TOO
I was actually a little disappointed and I can't understand all the hype. I thought it was a little messy as a film, as though it couldn't decide what it was. A lot of the events seem to fall into place just because, rather than because they happened naturally.
Good points:
-Xavier was likeable, and Magneto had some good moments, too. In particular, their conversations and moments of friendship, though few, were quite moving and interesting. They weren't as good as Stewart and McKellen, but who is? Still, much slash fiction will be written over these two performances.
-Mystique was pretty good and her story was interesting. Most of the kids (Beast, Havoc, Darwin, and especially Banshee) were very likeable and I wish we had more time to spend on them.
-Kevin Bacon is creepy and did a good job in his role.
-Kinda enjoyed the Wolverine cameo, as well as the scene with Rebecca Romijn. ^__^
Bad points: -January Jones was awful as Emma Frost. None of the majesty, nobility, confidence, or power. She was just terribly miscast.
-Moira, Charles, and Banshee in the same movie - and none of them had anything resembling the relationships we know from the comics. Moira was totally unnecessary in this movie and felt shoehorned in.
-The Hellfire Club was unrecognizable. Riptide had no lines and I don't think his name was even mentioned once. And Azazel, really? I guess he's there for the Nightcrawler connection, but.. meh. With the Hellfire club, you want to feel that they're scary as a united (if sometimes backstabby) front, but in this movie it felt like Sebastian Shaw and his mute goon squad. Shame.
-Darwin was gone too early; I liked him. His death was stupid, too. Angel Johnson had no business being in this movie and wasn't a credible threat as a villain anyway. Havoc and his hula-hoop lasers, ugh.
-In general, the story moved way too quickly. The children weren't on screen long enough to form proper relationships - even between Mystique and Beast, who had the most screen time. Jumping back and forth between Erik's murder spree and whatever Charles was up to early on in the movie felt like a mistake: better to just tell one story, then the other, than to give the audience emotional whiplash.
-Bad wire fu and meh special effects. Beast looked dumb; nobody seems to be able to get this right. He looked intensely fake, especially next to Mystique and her better-looking laytex makeup.
-Climactic fight scenes were hazy and hard to follow, and just not very scary. The kids didn't feel competent enough to be in a proper fight, let alone to win against the older and more experienced Hellfire Club. I felt like I was suddenly watching a Harry Potter movie.
Overall: I guess maybe a C or C-? Inferior to the first X-Men movie, but not by much. I'm never sure what I think of the second X-Men movie. Definitely miles ahead of the third, though. I enjoyed Thor more and felt it was a stronger movie than First Class. I may be suffering from the hype, though.
Really interested to see what more of you think of it.
Looking towards a sequel, I hope they focus more on the students, with the struggle between Charles and Magneto as the backdrop/metaplot. I kinda hope to see them recruit the core New Mutants, but it would be weird and wrong to see them show up before the likes of Cyclops and Jean.
~TWF
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