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Post by WildKnight on Jun 13, 2011 6:30:37 GMT -5
You've seen his costume, right? How much more flag-waving do you want? ^__^ ~TWF In case you didn't read any Cap storylines between 65 and 2000 or so, it's entirely possible to wear a costume based on the American flag and be anything but patriotic.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 13, 2011 15:44:03 GMT -5
I was just teasing. ^__^
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 13, 2011 15:50:41 GMT -5
I was just teasing. ^__^ ~TWF Ohhhh *facepalm*
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Post by honestiago on Jun 14, 2011 12:41:21 GMT -5
Just some perspective -- there used to be NO decent superhero pics. Everything that's come out (thanks to tech advances) is an improvement over the 70s, 80s, and most of the 90s. This is a dream age for anyone who read comics and loved them.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 14, 2011 12:57:51 GMT -5
Just some perspective -- there used to be NO decent superhero pics. Everything that's come out (thanks to tech advances) is an improvement over the 70s, 80s, and most of the 90s. This is a dream age for anyone who read comics and loved them. ... unless you are discerning about stories and not seeing the characters you love turned into crap
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Post by honestiago on Jun 14, 2011 16:59:10 GMT -5
WK, you pretty much hate everything, so I don't think we can count on you for a fair assessment. I will agree that most of these films are cinematic bubble gum, much like a lot of the comics I used to read. Every now and then, though, you get art (just like with the comics). On the whole, I have to give Hollywood credit for bringing these stories to life. On balance, Hollywood has done a credible job with the material. They treat it with respect, while realizing you have to appeal to audiences that don't consist of simply comic geeks and old farts (like me). Let me put it this way -- we're gonna see the f'in Avengers, man. 'Nuff said.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 14, 2011 17:04:03 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of the notion that because I'm not as enthusiastic about seeing stuff I care about trampled on, my opinions don't count.
I guess that's fine though, because I find the hopelessly optimistic and blindly accepting to be just as irrelevant.
I actually could be excited about The Avengers... Thor was alright, Iron Man was good, Hulk was acceptable, Hawkeye (what little we saw of him) was cool. If they weren't pissing all over Cap, it'd be potential greatness.
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Post by Puck on Jun 14, 2011 17:28:52 GMT -5
Im excited to see the films and accept them as they are. You can never expect a movie to compare to a book or comic, especially since the sheer creativity in those texts can never be expressed accurately on film..is it not possible to just accept what they are for what they are and enjoy something brought to life? (Except The Last Airbender..that movie needs to burn..)
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Post by Jet on Jun 14, 2011 18:23:30 GMT -5
About accepting things for what they are- we do that all the time. If something is crappy, we're not pretending its good and nobody has a right to make us enjoy it. Enjoyment isnt something we can or cant do- it happens without our consent. To answer your question- nope, bad movies are bad. Though I liked recent Marvel movies and found them pretty decent. Yes, even Spiderman 3. And no, X-men movies can just burn in hell, no matter what public thinks about them.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 14, 2011 18:54:22 GMT -5
Playah covered that pretty well for me (thanks!)
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Post by andyman on Jun 17, 2011 20:36:18 GMT -5
When I want to relive a favorite comic book story from when I was a kid, I update the Daily Bugle.
...and I'm not a big fan of the notion that because I'm plugging my own game, my opinions don't count.
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Post by honestiago on Jun 20, 2011 21:06:02 GMT -5
Let me put it another way: Star Trek, in most of its incarnations, means a LOT to me. I was predisposed, and really want to hate the new movie. I thought the new Trek was very good. I didn't hate it (I didn't like the Spock-Uhura thing one bit, however), but I will admit that it's not "my: trek. Today;s movies pretty much the same. it's not my Iron Man, but it's good. I am thinking I don't despise the other ones so much because I was never a huge X-Men, Thor, Batman or Superman fan. If I were, I might be a little less tolerant of what I see. I would hope, though, that my Trek experience speaks to the fact that I'd be fair in my assessment, while not necessarily claiming ownership over the films as representative of "my" favorites, as I interpret them.
(Let's be honest, though, uber geeks of any stripe are hard on adaptations--I have some good friends are are still pissed about Lord of the Rings, even though by any standard the trilogy is awfully good).
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 20, 2011 21:17:39 GMT -5
I liked Trek. Lord of the Rings missed on a lot of very important points, for me. It's one thing to make changes; its another thing to dramatically alter important themes of the story.
Lord of the Rings was almost as bad as Starship Troopers, in terms of doing a 180' from the intent of the original author.
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Post by honestiago on Jun 20, 2011 21:30:53 GMT -5
Woulda been hard to get the point of Starship Troopers across without dwelling on the philosophy (and thus losing the audience). You're right, though -- it was way out in left field with regard to being true to the text. I don't know that we can really discuss "intent" for LOTR, however, since it is a much less overtly political (or philosophical) story than ST. I don't think we can argue that LOTR wasn't well done, entertaining, and, in a way, game changing, when it came to scope and execution. It doesn't matter to me if Aragorn was portrayed differently, or if the love story was overplayed. Full fidelity would have required a 10-part mini-series. BUT: They probably COULD have done a lot better with Starship Troopers, though, couldn't they?
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 20, 2011 21:37:35 GMT -5
The animated series Roughnecks was, ostensibly, for children, and did a better job with Starship Troopers than the movie. So I'd like to think that the movie could have been better.
Lord of the Rings... ah... where do I even start? I guess I should say that I was fully entertained, and they were some of the better movies I've ever seen. I like to watch them every now and then, just because. I didn't like the additions, particularly in the area of the "love story" between Aragorn and Arwen, but those things weren't really that big of a deal to me.
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There were changes made that altered the very fabric of the story being told, and yes, the changes to Aragorn's personality WERE very important to that, and detrimental to the overall product. Showing things like wizards overtly using magic, elves at the important battles, and so on were also dramatic changes that defeated much of the theme of the story that the books were telling (as did making Elrond a spiteful racist).
From that perspective, I feel deeply sorry for the people who will never experience the books, and it irritates me that a movie will never be made that retains these important themes because Peter Jackson wanted to put his stamp on things.
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