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Post by takewithfood on Aug 7, 2011 23:14:33 GMT -5
Using Spider-Man to draw attention to a less popular character? What a totally new idea.
And yes, this. I have a number of friends who are loving these comic book movies, but who had never heard of them before. They often forget that they're not just super heroes, but existing comic book characters - that's how little they know them. And they laughed their heads off when I said I was hoping for an Ant Man movie. Even after I explained who he was, they thought he sounded really lame.
Not as bad as Hawkman, though! Which reminds me of the most common criticism I get from this group of friends: Standardize the "man" suffix already! Sometimes there's a space, sometimes there's no space, sometimes there's a hyphen! So confusing! And they aren't really wrong..
~TWF
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 0:51:53 GMT -5
If Antman and Wasp were in a title before they were in The Avengers I have never heard of it, and that started years ago. If that's the case they could have easily been introduced in the movie, and even if that weren't the case it still seems pretty lame to leave them out.
Like you said earlier, they put characters like Black Widow, The Hulk, and Hawkeye in the movie, but left out the founders. I like Hawkeye as much as the next guy, but unless The Hulk as the antagonist it would be beyond stupid to have him in the movie assuming that they think he's not going to go on a rampage and take out his team members. Widow was pretty much a background character in Iron Man 2, but they can't put two characters that would actually be more background characters in the movie?
It's b*llsh*t.
In understand sales and marketing, but leaving out those two characters particularly is retarded. If they were worried about cramming in characters they could have actually left out characters like Hulk, Black Widow, and Hawkeye.
Black Widow was a backgrond character.
The Last Two Hulk Movies Sucked.
Hawkeye could have easily been brought in later.
There's really no excuse for leaving out Ant Man or Wasp when they put three characters in the movie that could have easily been left out.
We're going to see the same crap we seen in the last hulk movies "Hulk smash," hulk's going to fight thor, and some how captain America or iron man will get the win.
I understand that the Avengers were formed to fight the hulk, but his movies are worse than a big green radioactive turd
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 8, 2011 1:33:41 GMT -5
I actually mostly enjoyed both Hulk films for various reasons, and I think he'll serve mostly as an annoyance in The Avengers.
With Wasp and Ant Man, you have a few things to think about when putting them into a film. Visually, you'd have two characters with the same power and that, to an audience, might just come across as a bit lazy. True, you could approach them as some stupid cute married couple that even goes so far as having matching powers, but that sounds a touch too functional to be the Pyms. Likewise, portraying them like that would make it far too easy to be viewed as one character and not two.
From a production standpoint, characters whose powers involve shrinking means another CG effect to pay for. Hawkeye and Black Widow both require minimal CG on screen, which would probably bring the budget down a good amount and it'll make acting a bit easier on the others, as they won't have to interact with invisible people.
You can also take a look at the science of this Marvel Universe. So far, it seems like the technology generally only allows people to create physical enhancements for themselves without any kinds of crazy side effects; the only really successful attempt at bio-engineering a human was Captain America and the formula was lost. Hulk, Abomination, and Red Skull all ended very badly for Banner, Blonsky, and Schmidt. The series continuity would take a big hit if Pym was able to create and continuously reproduce Pym Particles, since no other film has demonstrated that this kind of biological engineering would be possible. Why would Blonsky have needed to be part of Gamma experimentation unless there wasn't a more reliable way to take down the Hulk?
While it isn't true to the original Avengers, and I think would have been nice to see a different heroine other than Black Widow, specifically (Miss Marvel, anyone?), they work nicely in the film continuity. They fit in nicely as trained SHIELD Agents, they'd make use of more practical effects over digital (because, let's be real here, practical effects almost always look better), and they help to prevent some consistency issues in the films.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 1:56:42 GMT -5
I do agree that Widow and Hawkeye would have a lower budget.
Pym could be Giant Man, and Janet could be wasp. Matching powers isn't a problem.
Sure they had problems with particles, but that was also true in the comics. The reason Hank was able to pull his off the way he was is that he is a super genius. So, that's not really a problem wither.
If they hadn't put out so many crappy movies they would have the budget for cgi for the two. Don't pretend that Ghost Rider was good, and honestly what was the highlight of the first hulk movie? Hulk fighting a giant poodle. If they can afford to cgi a giant poodle they can afford to cgi a giant man.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Aug 8, 2011 2:11:47 GMT -5
.........thank goodness I can't remember a lot of the things that happened in the first movie. I seen it, I just don't have a lot of memories of it. And again, I am glad that I don't.
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 8, 2011 2:51:28 GMT -5
Ghost Rider wasn't Marvel Studios and neither were any of the God-awful comic films that came out immediately post-X-Men. And the matching powers thing still applies to a degree if Wasp shrinks and Giant Man (in this case) grows; you just have direct opposites instead of the same. Their powers still work as one unit rather than as two distinct characters.
Hank's a super genius and pulled off the particles in the comics, yes, but this continuity isn't a kind of crazy, high-fantasy technology world where people are regularly doing ridiculous things with what's available to them. Iron Man stands out because he's a HUGE deal technologically and so does Hulk, albeit from the other end of the spectrum. This isn't a world populated with an excess of super heroes, all with silly silver age sensibilities and origin stories. Ant-Man made sense when he was created, despite the problems that I had mentioned before, because comics had a history of ridiculous science fiction. While I won't argue that the current films are filled with science fiction, they're also not science fiction films. There's a certain status quo that's been established so far that would be disrupted.
Also shrinking and growing powers on screen would just look dumb. And, again, we already know Samuel L. Jackson is an even worse actor when he's dealing with CGI characters. Just watch Star Wars.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 6:20:25 GMT -5
Also shrinking and growing powers on screen would just look dumb. And, again, we already know Samuel L. Jackson is an even worse actor when he's dealing with CGI characters. Just watch Star Wars. That actually makes perfect sense. I could see him freaking out over that. "I'm Samuel L. Jackson! I'm not working with another CGI muppet. Working with the hulk is like working with a big green ugly yoda."
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