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Post by rangeraero on Aug 26, 2006 23:41:34 GMT -5
On the initiative thing, Batman has been described as someone who knows what his opponent will do before his opponent does. That was actually my reason for using int for initiative. The physical of it is more difficult (even out thinking him, could he out move the Flash?), but that's adifferent arguement.
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Post by rangeraero on Aug 26, 2006 23:44:52 GMT -5
That wasn’t inventing. That was Batman combining his knowledge of various sciences (I could certainly see the argument for giving him, say, chemistry* as an action) via his computers and laboratories in order to artificially create a modified version of a radioactive alien mineral. At no point in that did he “invent” any sort of device. He invented the process by which it was synthesized. Invention in now way requires the creation of a device. If it did, alot of scientists would be pissed off. And if you want a device, fine. BROTHER I AND OMAC. I don't know all the details, but what I do know says they were made by the Bat.
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Post by Beacon on Aug 26, 2006 23:46:49 GMT -5
On the initiative thing, Batman has been described as someone who knows what his opponent will do before his opponent does. That was actually my reason for using int for initiative. The physical of it is more difficult (even out thinking him, could he out move the Flash?), but that's adifferent arguement. That sounds more like Prescience than anything else and I can’t see anyone making the argument that Bruce has that. Cassandra Cane, sure, but not Burce.
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Post by Beacon on Aug 26, 2006 23:56:00 GMT -5
He invented the process by which it was synthesized. At what point did they say that? It seems likely the computer did most of the work. I know I just referenced Beetle's death but I'd really rather pretend that the the last few years never happened. Besides, from what I understand the OMACs (the ones that are essentially Prime Sentinel rip-offs anyway) were something that came after the fact and I highly doubt Bats took the time to construct the BROTHER satellite personally.
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Post by rangeraero on Aug 26, 2006 23:56:28 GMT -5
No, not prescience. Just thinking ahead of his opponent. Bruce is incredibly intelligent and uses that to play his opponents and plan out every detail. He likes to know what his opponent is going to do, but that is not to say he has any psychic ability.
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Post by rangeraero on Aug 27, 2006 0:03:42 GMT -5
At what point did they say that? It seems likely the computer did most of the work. Yep. Because a computer could do that without any help from the user. I sure the computer knew exactly the composition of Kryptonite, and precisely how to synthesis the completely alien mineral using terrestial items with absolutely no help from the programmer. which would be Batman.
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Post by Beacon on Aug 27, 2006 0:58:07 GMT -5
One: That’s not inventing either. That’s computing and that’s pretty much covered under technology.
Two: Who says he did all the programming anyway? Batman is going to want the best resources possible at his disposal so its far more likely Barbara did a good chunk of the work.
Batman’s entire thing is that he’s good at a wide variety of things (and inventing was something that got retconned out of that skill list a long time ago because guys like O'Neal and Dixon found it silly that he was even that good at THAT many things) but he isn’t the BEST at anything except maybe detection (and when’s the last time he did some actual detective work instead of having Oracle or Robin look information up for him on a computer…if DC weren’t so busy ruining both characters right now I’d imagine that either Elongated Man or Robin would be the new “World’s Greatest Detective”). Batman surrounds himself with specialists; Barbara Gordon for computers, Cassandra Cane and assorted others that he isn’t quite as close to (like Richard Dragon) for martial arts, Ted Kord for inventing, Mister Terrific for strategy, Wonder Woman for battle tactics, Dick Grayson and Martian Manhunter for leadership skills, Superman for motivational skills, Steel for technology, Atom for physics, ect.
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Post by rangeraero on Aug 27, 2006 1:51:38 GMT -5
I think I'm going to leave this one at "I disagree", and mention that this arguement isn't quite the topic.
I will state that I'm a bigger fan of the comics where Batman is working alone, going back to the cave to do analysis, and otherwise not talking to the "Bat-family" which has become so convuluted in an attempt to stay "current and hip" that it's both annoying and completely against the core of the character.
Other than that, certain changes are being made to the CAD, and will be posted when I'm done.
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Post by dorkknight23 on Aug 27, 2006 6:53:46 GMT -5
Ok. Agree to disagree then. I'm really just trying to help you out. One dude and his opinion, and all that. Your Superman writeup is a little closer to how I'd see the Man of Steel. Again, not trying to steal your thunder, but if you want to take a look at another write-up, here's my take on Superman: murpg.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=conversions&action=display&thread=1139732317Again, if you're really interested in making a DC sourcebook, I offer my services, and permission to use my writeups. (I also have a bunch of obscure DC over in the Adopt-an-Obscure-Hero Directory in the Heroes Writeups section, from Blue Beetle to Booster Gold, if you're interested.) One final off-topic point: there is a little button in the corner of the post, between quote and delete, called "Modify Thread." If you want to modify a previous post you made to include more than one thought, you could do it there. Makes it easier than reading 10 individual posts on one thought to read one longer one. Good luck on the writeups!
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Post by vicsage on Aug 29, 2006 12:08:17 GMT -5
Anybody care to do a write-up of the Silver Age Batman--you know, the fun one who wasn't a ninja and mean to everybody to demonstrate how cool he is? I'd love to play a character like that. I find the modern version silly and depressing at the same time. Oh, and "Brother Eye" and "OMAC" were invented by jack Kirby, not Batman!
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Post by vicsage on Aug 29, 2006 15:11:01 GMT -5
Superman is at least a genius. Look at all the super machines he's built in his career! And as a boy he was able to built robots that were exact duplicates of himself. I'd say he's smarter than Batman. He just doesn't have to rely on his Int as much due to all his other inborn powers.
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Post by Beacon on Aug 29, 2006 16:31:15 GMT -5
Anybody care to do a write-up of the Silver Age Batman--you know, the fun one who wasn't a ninja and mean to everybody to demonstrate how cool he is? I'd love to play a character like that. I find the modern version silly and depressing at the same time. At least one of the various yahoo groups… games.groups.yahoo.com/group/marveluniverseroleplayinggame/games.groups.yahoo.com/group/murpgstuff/games.groups.yahoo.com/group/MURPGList/…has a write-up dedicated to that particular incarnation of Batman. There may be one buried somewhere in the forums here too (there certainly are plenty of Batman write-ups in general). Yes but we’re talking about the modern versions them. Mohawk-like head-fins aside, the new OMACs have very little to do with the old. They’re essentially just carbon copies of the Prime Sentinels from Marvel’s Operation Zero Tolerance crossover ten years ago.
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Post by vicsage on Aug 29, 2006 17:34:31 GMT -5
Eh, you couldn't pay me to read anything from DC or Marvel these days.
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