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Post by pgholland on Aug 25, 2011 6:17:11 GMT -5
I've been reading the original X-Men comics. In there Professor X uses his telepathic abilities to 'read' the minds of the sentinels. He finds it difficult, but not impossible.
That got me thinking- nowhere in the rules can I remember it saying you couldn't use TP on machines, and I can't find it anywhere in the rules that says you can't, in fact the rules seem to suggest you can (Machines have a Mental Defence, can have mental defence [Artificial Emotion]). PA uses a 'neural interface' according to the rules- so in theory could they be TPed?
I would personally apply a big SitMod, as it isn't living, and Professor X had difficulties doing so. But what do others think? Or can you find the rule that says no TP on Machines?
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Post by Gryphynx on Aug 25, 2011 12:03:30 GMT -5
I see no rules against it. While I wouldn't allow it in my games, I would have to concede it to be a House Rule, not Canonical. I would however, allow someone with Psycho-Centric Template to do it since it boosts both Telepathy, and allows for a direct interface with machines...
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Post by pgholland on Aug 25, 2011 12:05:09 GMT -5
Depends what you mean by canonical.
If you mean in the comics- it IS canonical.
If you mean in the rules- it doesn't rule it out and the key rule is 'A stone is always worth the same as any other stone'...
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 25, 2011 13:51:41 GMT -5
There would be sit mods against you, for sure (which is in line with X having difficulty) and the read probably wouldn't be too detailed (until we get to the likes of Vision and Ultron), but it seems possible.
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Post by Gryphynx on Aug 25, 2011 15:07:55 GMT -5
Depends what you mean by canonical. If you mean in the comics- it IS canonical. If you mean in the rules- it doesn't rule it out and the key rule is 'A stone is always worth the same as any other stone'... You misunderstood. I agreed with you, I said it would not be canonical that I would not allow it in my games, my not allowing it would be a House Rule. |
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Post by Dhark on Aug 25, 2011 21:35:48 GMT -5
RAW, I agree nothing says no...
Marvel however considers this an entirely different power for some characters (IE Cyberpathy)... No mention of that in Xaviers block on the Marvel wikia. Not that that's a perfect site, Marvel endorsed or not since that site also believes Xorn was real despite what PG has read elsewhere.
Back to topic~ I'd posit that any technology that has AI has a thought process which COULD in theory be detected. Sentience and all that. With a sit mod. Possibly a 'Cyberpathy' option to the Telepathy power for such instances (mush as Astral Projection can be picked up, Cyberpathy could also be a stand alone power).
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Post by pgholland on Aug 26, 2011 5:14:17 GMT -5
Ok Dhark, don't bring in the fact that I don't agree with Marvel re-setting the changes made in New X-Men because they weren't brave enough to go through with as a reason why Telepathy doesn't work on machines. And you do realise the Marvel website's wiki is just the same thing as Wikipedia without the sources right? Written by fans.
Go out and read X-Men #14-16 where Professor X DOES use his telepathy on Sentinels, also in a previous issue he even uses it on a bomb.
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Post by Gryphynx on Aug 26, 2011 6:33:35 GMT -5
I'm with Dhark on this one, sounds to me like Professor X just spent his next 10 LoEs on Telepathy to gain the ability to Telepathically affect AIs.  Then again, some Marvel writers are just bizzare... like the time Jean Grey (before she was super phoenix) in a single panel said "A little TK and..." as she transformed their uniforms into Lab Coats. o.O |
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Post by Puck on Aug 26, 2011 6:39:47 GMT -5
I'm with Dhark on this one, sounds to me like Professor X just spent his next 10 LoEs on Telepathy to gain the ability to Telepathically affect AIs. Then again, some Marvel writers are just bizzare... like the time Jean Grey (before she was super phoenix) in a single panel said "A little TK and..." as she transformed their uniforms into Lab Coats. o.O Lawl, she had that plotkai Extraordinary Scope. TK mutavolve into Matter Manipulation! Anyhow, while its apparently theoretically possible Id think it should only work on androids maybe? Like vision? Aren't all sentinels controlled by a mastermind? Maybe thats what Prof X picked up. |
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Post by pgholland on Aug 26, 2011 7:20:04 GMT -5
Nup- he couldn't affect Master-Mold because his mind was too powerful.
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Post by malice on Aug 26, 2011 18:40:12 GMT -5
You're right that it never says you can't and in fact seems to imply that you can. Additionally, it never says Drain Energy works only on organic targets. They just constantly fail to differentiate between "types" and don't grant many immunities when they do. It's just another challenge of running the system, similar to making the canon characters play properly despite their CADs.
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 29, 2011 16:54:14 GMT -5
Also remember that the system has no inherent benefits by being a certain "race." If you wanted to play an Atlantean, you don't get free Swimming and such, you have to purchase those powers like anything else. Honestly, I think it's one of the (admittedly few) strengths of the system.
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