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Post by Ricochet on Sept 14, 2011 14:22:09 GMT -5
I'm a little confused here, what's it supposed to do?
1 You can fly
2 You're invisible, but you can still be seen?
3 Your astral form can't be hurt physically. (Although magical and mental attacks still hurt you)
4 You can't use physical actions, but you can use mental and magical actions.
What does the ''Psionic body travels with you'' option do?
Can you move through physical objects? If bullets pass through you, can you pass through a wall?
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Post by Brainstem on Sept 14, 2011 14:30:07 GMT -5
Basically it's like when you see a wizard or some such go into a trance and his spirit self comes out to do stuff. You're a projection of yourself, doing stuff that would be impossible to do while you're corporeal. You're never really where you are, but you're perceived as though you are, except people can't directly interact with you. The rule, as written, puts you into a vulnerable state while you project, meaning you'll need some kind of way to keep protected so nobody comes in to gut your physical self while the projection is running around.
I'm not sure where the "Psionic body travels with you" option is, though?
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Post by Ushima911 on Sept 14, 2011 14:32:27 GMT -5
Idk what "psionic body travels with you" option..never heard of it..i know of "take body with you" option, which allows you to take your body with you, rather than leaving your vulnerable body behind.
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Post by Gryphynx on Sept 14, 2011 14:54:18 GMT -5
Onslaught is the only answer. He's the only Canon character with the power, and -he- was an Astral Entity who could just Physically Manifest. So, the only way anyone should be able to "take body with" is if they are or have become, an Astral Entity (or Psychic Entity). Then it's really more a matter that they're Physically Manifesting when not using Astral Travel.
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Post by Ricochet on Sept 14, 2011 14:57:23 GMT -5
Guide to X-men, page 48. And there is no ''Take your body with you'' option.
What I'm concerned about is the possibility to take Flight, Invisibility and Phase Shift for AN+2. It seems like a really good deal, so I need to know what I'm missing here.
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Post by Dullahan on Sept 14, 2011 15:04:56 GMT -5
The complete inability to interact with the world around you?
You can't actually DO anything unless you have magic or telepathy. Otherwise, your just a fly on the wall.
The fact that your body is completely defenseless while your doing this?
Just a couple issues off the top of my head.
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Post by Gryphynx on Sept 14, 2011 15:13:11 GMT -5
Well, "with body" does indeed make it a perfectly good Flight/Invis/Phase (all as a single Action to boot). And since you're probably gonna be "mental" oriented, yeah, it's not got too many drawbacks...  I've said before on these boards (albeit a decade or so ago) that it's the most underpriced Action Advantage ever (only +2 to take body instead of a more balanced +5). |
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Post by malice on Sept 14, 2011 15:25:33 GMT -5
Most the time you get to just fly around peaking in on people. If your campaign and GM are using the Astral Plane, then you might get a bit more special action.
The "psionic body travels with you" option was probably intended to delete the weakness of leaving your body behind, but they decided to annoy by inserting "psionic" which means nothing. It just makes it harder to define. "Psionic" is a geek word that we tend to use but that the rest of the world doesn't understand because it's just our word. "Teleport" is the same way. We all think we know what we're talking about but as soon as there is any vagueness people can't reach an agreement. The problem with using it for the Astral Travel advantage is that there is no clear definition of "psionic body" and they only gave us that sentence fragment (The same with most advantages, you have to pull a workable rule out of 6-7 words).
No one in my games takes Astral Travel, so I haven't had a problem. I don't think I'd have a problem if they did though. It's basically going into recon mode with the ability to appear ready where ever you are.
It IS a pretty good deal to take three actions for the price of flight. It isn't the first time that flight has been shown to suck in a cost comparison to another more specifically tailored action. I throw flight discounts out like candy on Halloween.
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Post by Dhark on Sept 14, 2011 16:26:09 GMT -5
Onslaught is/was not the only one, Shadowking and Xaver (Pre-onslaught) have both done it as well.
Taking one's body *SHOULD* only be for physically entering the Astral Plane and subsequent planewalking via portals there in (not flitting around Earth as an Astral Entity, unless as stated one is such an entity). At least that's my oppinion.
RAW, I'm with Sphynx... Admittedly I have abused that price and option on more than one occasion!
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Post by Gryphynx on Sept 14, 2011 23:55:28 GMT -5
Heh, said Onslaught was the only Canon one (ie: appears in the murpg books) Shadowking would definitely have this... |
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Post by Dhark on Sept 15, 2011 0:04:01 GMT -5
Ah. I figured you meant cannon as in 616 continuity ;-)
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