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Post by shenron on Oct 11, 2011 2:01:21 GMT -5
So, I have read and been reading some independent stuff lately. I have actually been enjoying the Indy stuff more then the main stream stuff lately. I am wondering what you guys are reading along those lines?
What I have read that I would highly recommend;
> Preacher > Walking Dead > Mouse Guard > Spawn > Johny The Homicidal Maniac > Squee > Dork Tower
What I am planning on reading;
> Atomic Robo > Chew
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Post by Beacon on Oct 14, 2011 12:40:43 GMT -5
Both fantastic reads. I’ve been singing the praises for Atomic Robo forever and I recently got into Chew (man, that is one awesomely weird comic). I mentioned a lot of recommendations in the old thread … murpg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Supers&action=display&thread=13481&page=1…but here are a couple I don’t recall mentioning… Mourning Glories – Basically it’s the Prisoner set in a High School. Bone – The last thread focused on current comics and this is a little older. It’s every bit as good as the hype says. Since you’re counting Vertigo as indy … Sandman – Lots of Vertigo books do the “story about stories” thing but this was the best. Mysterius the Unfathomable – A standalone series from the Wildstorm line. Its basically about an a-hole version of Dr Strange. Criminal – Great crime book from Marvel’s Icon line.
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Post by shenron on Oct 14, 2011 13:30:00 GMT -5
It is awesome to get a reply. I think a lot of people forget about all of the "Indy" stuff. Ya, I know Vertigo is owned by DC or whatnot but it does not have the DC feel.
I just read the first trade of Atomic Robo and it is pretty awesome. The humor and the setting is great. I want to get my hands on the other traders.
I am currently halfway done with the hardback of Walking Dead #4. Pretty messed up at the moment.
Ya, I think I have the first "new" trades of Sandman. They have been updated the artwork in the trade paper backs like in the Absolute Editions.
Oh, have you read Witchblade?
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Post by shenron on Oct 14, 2011 13:31:25 GMT -5
Oh, how about Hellboy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2011 10:06:40 GMT -5
Wait...Spawn was't "indy" he was under Image comics. He was in allot of big crossovers, and everything. I do wonder if DC owns him now, because they own allot of Image stuff. Spawn was also crossed over with Batman a couple of times.
Witchblade was topcow, but I'm not sure if that would be considered indy though.
Also Dark Tower was Marvel.
Hellboy was Dark Horse
Not that I'm arguing, but what is your definition of "indy" comics? Maybe I might even question which company's are considered indy.
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Post by shenron on Oct 16, 2011 4:31:23 GMT -5
Sorry, what I consider "Indy" is not actual Independent Comics because DC and Marvel own a lot of other comic "companies".
I consider just about any comic that does not have a DC or Marvel label on it and does not consist of your "standard" superheroes.
Spawn was truly Indy when it started up, but Todd sold out for money and crossovers, etc. I think I have even seen a Spawn Vs. Predator comic floating around.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 4:40:44 GMT -5
One thing I've been wanting is the Batman Vs Predator comic. I have the Batman Vs Alien comics. The Story on Batman Vs Predator is that a Predator father and son decided to hunt Batman, and Robin. Due to their father son like relationship, and kick ass crime fighting prowess. I know that it sounds kind of lame at a glance, but I'd love to read it some day.
I might treat myself, and buy the comic online somewhere for Christmas now that I think of it.
Batman Vs Alien was pretty good in my opinion. One of Bruce Wayne's spaceship's or something, goes down somewhere in Mexico, and Batman goes to investigate. I haven't read Batman Vs Aliens II, but I might try to get it.
I'll probably get Superman Vs Alien too. I've hear that an Alien face hugs Superman, and creates some kind of super powered alien that Superman fights. Because it couldn't burst through his chest Superman pukes it up or something. One of my friends had the comics, and said it was pretty good.
Lol, we were talking about Indy comics, and I went off on some other comics I'd like to have. I also really liked Gen 13 back when I was a teen in the 90's.
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Post by shenron on Oct 17, 2011 17:29:27 GMT -5
Lol, that would be pretty entertaining. It is funny how something like that could actually be good.
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Post by shenron on Oct 27, 2011 0:23:43 GMT -5
I just finished all 5 current TPB of Atomic Robo and it is the bees knees. I was very impressed with it and I already want to re-read it. It is funny, serious, and just over the top ridiculous all at the same time. It just makes it better when the Robo uses terms like "horsefeathers" to replace the four letter word and when Robo is asked how he handles a certain situation he replies "I used my violence against them"! Plus, I think I have a new favorite bad guy, Dr. Dinosaur! My Chew hardcover should be in this week (I think) and I am still trying to catch up in the walking dead. I am always willing to take recommendations.
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Post by Beacon on Oct 28, 2011 23:38:24 GMT -5
It is awesome to get a reply. I think a lot of people forget about all of the "Indy" stuff. Ya, I know Vertigo is owned by DC or whatnot but it does not have the DC feel. Yeah, I figured that’s where you were going with that. Wait, the new trades are “remastered” too? Sandman is becoming the Star Wars of comics. I read the first couple Ron Marz trades back when Top Cow was really pushing them (you can still get them pretty cheap). It was better than I expected it to be but it really isn’t my thing. I’ve seen the movies and have checked out some of the trades from the library. I think Mike Mignola is a good storyteller and one of the best designers in comics but the comic didn’t really grab me. I liked the BPRD spin-off and the movies better. This is as good a time as any to mention Eric Powell's the Goon. It’s another Dark Horse series that I liked but not quite enough to actually buy. While Hellboy plays the supernatural action stuff straight, this is more of a dark comedy. It also has the best collection titles (“Those That is Damned” “Fancy Pants Edition”). Wait...Spawn was't "indy" he was under Image comics. He was in allot of big crossovers, and everything. I do wonder if DC owns him now, because they own allot of Image stuff. Spawn was also crossed over with Batman a couple of times. Image is a collective of creator-owned comics. It’s indy. Jim Lee only sold DC the Wildstorm line that he created the foundation for with WildCATS. Marc Silvestri still owns the Top Cow line. Robert Kirkman still owns the Skybound line. Todd McFarlane still owns McFarlane Entertainment (or Todd McFarlane Productions or whatever they’re calling the company publishing Spawn this week). (And Spider-Man has crossed over with Batman and Superman a bunch of times but that doesn’t mean DC owns him) Image and Dark Horse are two of the biggest publishers outside Marvel and DC. That still leaves them with a tiny piece of the pie. They’re indy. Sorry, what I consider "Indy" is not actual Independent Comics because DC and Marvel own a lot of other comic "companies". Plus there are a lot of weird situations that arise when the rights to something change. Marvel used to publish Conan but now Dark Horse does (actually they even have black and white collections of the comics Marvel put out). Is that indy now? Stormwatch/The Authority started out as an Image/Wildstorm comic and it’s now been folded into the DCU (DC does that a lot). Are Disney comics indy?* Are they not indy when Marvel publishes Gargoyles comics? Are they indy when Slave Labor Graphics publishes different Gargoyles comics? Are they indy when Boom! Studios publishes Muppet comics? Are they not indy now that Marvel is reprinting the exact same Muppet comics? By the way, the SLG Gargoyles and Roger Langridge’s Muppets comics are fantastic. Granted everything Roger Langridge does is fantastic. If you read Fred the Clown then its easy to see how he got the Muppet gig (though, unlike his Muppet comics, you really shouldn’t give it to a kid). I just bought “The Show Must Go On” (a collection of a bunch of his shorter indy work). He’s also given us some great underrated Marvel books but the only “indy” things about Thor the Mighty Avenger and Fin Fang Four are the sales figures. *Actually that one really opens up the licensed characters can of worms. Personally I don’t see, say, Transformers as independent but they’re still currently put out by an “indy” comics company. I just finished all 5 current TPB of Atomic Robo and it is the bees knees. I was very impressed with it and I already want to re-read it. It is funny, serious, and just over the top ridiculous all at the same time. It just makes it better when the Robo uses terms like "horsefeathers" to replace the four letter word and when Robo is asked how he handles a certain situation he replies "I used my violence against them"! Well, he’s no Jenkins but he’s pretty cool. I think it was Robo’s rant about giant bugs that won me over on the series and his rant about normal-sized bugs that won me over to the character. This may interest you … twitter.com/#!/dr_dinosaur I predict that you’ll soon be playing MURPG as a Tony Chu-inspired cibopath (Psychometry is probably a good starting point).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 0:56:37 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad DC doesn't own spawn then. Most of the time Marvel and DC stop working with a companies characters shortly after they buy them out. When Marvel bought Malibu comics we lost the Ultra Force, and yes I did enjoy the series for what it was. I also enjoyed the cartoon. I also miss the Wild Cats, and Gen 13. However, I don't know what else they could have done with Gen 13 after they grew up.
Shortly after marvel bought out Malibu they did a few crossovers then closed everything short of the coloring studio. DC pretty much did the same thing with Wildstorm. I haven't seen anything about Spawn in years, but if somebody's doing nothing with him it should be the creator.
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Post by shenron on Oct 29, 2011 1:02:47 GMT -5
Well, he’s no Jenkins but he’s pretty cool. I think it was Robo’s rant about giant bugs that won me over on the series and his rant about normal-sized bugs that won me over to the character. This may interest you … twitter.com/#!/dr_dinosaur I predict that you’ll soon be playing MURPG as a Tony Chu-inspired cibopath (Psychometry is probably a good starting point). Ya, I agree. I think both of those rants really made the character as well. And Jenkins is freaking awesome, remember the B-Story where he put the two officers in charge of his plant? Or when we went on vacation? That hashtag is freaking hilarious, it has been official bookmarked. Currently, they are working on Volume 6 of Atomic Robo, I think they are on issue #2 - so we still have awhile before the next trade. Though, looking at the timeline (where the stories take place, not the release schedule) I have found some awesomeness..These are the next two in the line...I am so stoked for Volume 8! 1951: TOP SECRET (Vol 7, Atomic Robo and the Flying She-Devils of the Pacific) 2012: TOP SECRET (Vol 8, Atomic Robo and the Savage Sword of Dr. Dinosaur) Oh, and from what I heard about Chew, I think you might be right.
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Post by shenron on Oct 29, 2011 1:50:29 GMT -5
I picked up my hardback of Chew and it is pretty spiffy. It even comes with a red ribbon as a place holder. I think it is the first 11 or 10 issues. The next hardback comes out in December. Here are some pictures...
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Post by shenron on Oct 29, 2011 2:01:00 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad DC doesn't own spawn then. Most of the time Marvel and DC stop working with a companies characters shortly after they buy them out. When Marvel bought Malibu comics we lost the Ultra Force, and yes I did enjoy the series for what it was. I also enjoyed the cartoon. I also miss the Wild Cats, and Gen 13. However, I don't know what else they could have done with Gen 13 after they grew up. Shortly after marvel bought out Malibu they did a few crossovers then closed everything short of the coloring studio. DC pretty much did the same thing with Wildstorm. I haven't seen anything about Spawn in years, but if somebody's doing nothing with him it should be the creator. I agree. When big companies buy out other titles and licenses they usually mess it up. DC owns Wildstorm now and the only thing they have done with it is give Grifter and one other character form the WildC.A.T.S. their own line. I think they are both up to issues #2 or #3. I actually contacted Image a few weeks ago because I was hoping they would have extra Crimson trades laying around a warehouse somewhere that I could by and they told me that when the sold Wild Storm to DC Crimson went with it. So I e-mailed DC right away and guess what? I have not got a reply - not like I am surprised but eh. As for Spawn, it is still a ongoing title (I think they are up to usse #211) and they are releasing all of the comics in trade form known as Spawn Origins. I have the first 4 hardbacks which brings me up to issue #50/ The next hardback is coming out in December which will catch me up to issue #62. Speaking of Spawn, did anyone read the Hellspawn series?
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Post by Beacon on Oct 29, 2011 21:40:34 GMT -5
On Marvel and DC buying other companies:
IIRC Marvel only bought Malibu because of the coloring techniques they developed; I don’t think they ever really cared about the Ultraverse.
DC seems to buy things that were undermining their own intellectual properties. For a while they tried to shut down the people making Captain Marvel because he was more popular than Superman. Then they bought him and he’s been a second-rate Superman ever since. When Wildstorm was making the Authority they were a darker version of the JLA. These days I have a hard time telling the difference between the two teams*.
*It doesn’t really help any that the JLA and the Authority (I mean “Stormwatch”) exist in the same universe now.
On Jenkins: You have to love that the genius action-hero robot is awed by that guy.
“We're not trapped in here with them. They're trapped in here with Jenkins.” "What's a Jenkins?" "Jenkins is... well, he's on our side. You'll come to appreciate that."
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