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Post by kito on Feb 3, 2012 9:17:25 GMT -5
Did not like night-crawler in the comic he is my fave x-man with a simple power monstrous appearance he lures to except and a scene of humor to get him threw the day. in the older x-man comics he always fells like a bit of the glue that hold the team he may not lead them but he keep there spirits high. Although they kinda did that in the move the focused way to much on his religious Side then his personality. although the action seen on X-2 is one of my faves they easy could have taken night-crawler out of the move after as they rally had nothing for him to do.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 3, 2012 11:18:00 GMT -5
Also, when voting for Cyclops, I also made a point not to vote for anybody that really wasn't given a chance to develop poorly. Havok, for example, while not very well executed, wasn't developed poorly as opposed to being implemented poorly. The character of Havok wasn't really shat upon since he didn't get enough of a chance to be rutted up. Yeah, that's a good way of looking at the question. From that perspective, my choice would be narrowed down to Magneto (First Class version), Beast (First Class version, too), or Storm (X1-3). Storm was given more and more lines to appease Halle Berry's ego, but she wasn't any more involved in the plot, nor did her lines really show much of any character development or personality. The only memorable(ish) attempt was her "I gave up on pitty a long time ago" dialogue with Nightcrawler in the Blackbird in X2, and Berry's inability to comprehend method acting ruined whatever chance it had. Beast was one of the only recruits in First Class (not counting Raven) who had what could be described as a proper arc. But they botched it so hard, while simultaneously defacing canon source material AND contradicting the story from the existing films. Bonus points for looking like a villain-of-the-week from a bad sentai series. As for the First Class Magneto, you have to separate the character from Michael Fassbender's performance (which I rather liked in most parts). There is no explanation as to why young Magneto doesn't use his crazy powers to kill the man who just shot his mom to death in front of him. We don't get to see how or why Magneto comes to equate all homo sapiens with his Nazi captors, despite that being the entire point of his plot arc. And we don't really see how or why he becomes such supposedly good friends with Charles, despite that being the entire point of the entire movie. It's possible, though, that the way they killed off Cyclops in X3 surpasses all of that. I really can't decide. ~TWF |
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Post by toast on Feb 3, 2012 22:32:02 GMT -5
I'm the one who chose Storm. I didn't like many things about the movies, but Halle Berry did nothing but demean the movies. She basically said on numerous occasions that the X-Men was stupid. That's not cool. It was a movie that got her out there in many ways. The X-Men stories are timeless. Halle Berry acted like she was too big for the X-Men, but the truth is, the X-Men was too big for her. One thing about Hugh Jackman that I like, he's never too big to be Wolverine. He produces the movies! He loves that character. Will Halle Berry do that for Storm?
NO!
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Post by UrbanBlue on Feb 3, 2012 22:38:27 GMT -5
I'm the one who chose Storm. I didn't like many things about the movies, but Halle Berry did nothing but demean the movies. She basically said on numerous occasions that the X-Men was stupid. That's not cool. It was a movie that got her out there in many ways. The X-Men stories are timeless. Halle Berry acted like she was too big for the X-Men, but the truth is, the X-Men was too big for her. One thing about Hugh Jackman that I like, he's never too big to be Wolverine. He produces the movies! He loves that character. Will Halle Berry do that for Storm? NO!Wow, she really said that X-men was stupid? |
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Post by toast on Feb 3, 2012 23:43:58 GMT -5
I'm the one who chose Storm. I didn't like many things about the movies, but Halle Berry did nothing but demean the movies. She basically said on numerous occasions that the X-Men was stupid. That's not cool. It was a movie that got her out there in many ways. The X-Men stories are timeless. Halle Berry acted like she was too big for the X-Men, but the truth is, the X-Men was too big for her. One thing about Hugh Jackman that I like, he's never too big to be Wolverine. He produces the movies! He loves that character. Will Halle Berry do that for Storm? NO!Wow, she really said that X-men was stupid? In so many words. She was always putting it down and making fun of the fans. |
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 4, 2012 0:48:13 GMT -5
I'm the one who chose Storm. All 3 principle actors in the Spider-Man series did the same thing. The only people who were enthusiastic about the source material were Bruce Campbell (big shock) and J.K. Simmons. It seems like it's hard to cast actual comic book fans in comic book movies. |
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Post by toast on Feb 4, 2012 0:50:34 GMT -5
I'm the one who chose Storm. All 3 principle actors in the Spider-Man series did the same thing. The only people who were enthusiastic about the source material were Bruce Campbell (big shock) and J.K. Simmons. It seems like it's hard to cast actual comic book fans in comic book movies. I thought Tobbey Mcguire loved it until 3. Kristen Dunst did it the WHOLE time. I actually don't like Mary Jane because of it. Black Cat all the way, baby! |
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Post by Jet on Feb 4, 2012 8:16:18 GMT -5
The biggest peoblem with X-man movies untill First Class wasnt the main characters, but villains. I have never seen any non-comedy (no, fail attempt at drama doesnt equal comedy) movie with villains this outmatched by heroes. Lets see:
First movie- we have a guy with anti-tank beam in his eyes, goddess of weather, telepath/telekinetic and unstoppable, unkillable cutting machine against, who exactly? A lame copy of said cutting machine, a guy who has long tongue, spits slime and jumps, a shapeshifter (and not the cool "I'll turn into lion and eat you" kind of, but "I'll turn into another guy and beat you with... martial arts? Really?) and Magneto, who was the only one who could actually match them. And he didnt do jack. Yeah, safe to say I wasnt even slightly excited to see them fight.
Second movie- ANOTHER copy of cutting machine, a guy who traps you in dreams. And soldiers, with guns. Meanwhile, our heroes are all back, except now there's more of them, including a guy who teleports and one that can freeze anything he sees. Seriously, who is the underdog here?
Third movie- Finally villains get more and more powerfull, heroes lose few of their own... and then Magneto guides them to SLAUGHTER without blinking an eye. Not even Juggernaut and Pheonix felt any bit frightening.
Wolverine- Haha, Barakapool anyone? Or was I supposed to be scared of Stryker... again? Didnt work the first time, wont ever work. Oh, maybe Sabretooth was supposed to make me fear him? He failed, sorry.
First class- Our heroes are either young, or full of flaws or both. Our villains are:
-a friggin' teleporting demon
-wind controller who makes tornadoes in seconds
-woman with not just telepathy, but diamond form
-Angel Desanto doesnt count, she sucks here
-Shaw, as much as I hate his portrayal in this movie, was pretty much indestructible and even immune to telepathy at times.
Now THAT'S how superhero villains should be!
Rule #1 of superheroes and villains- "Villains are supposed to be outmatching heroes, not the other way around."
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Post by Brainstem on Feb 4, 2012 13:00:37 GMT -5
Rule #1 of superheroes and villains: Villains should serve as foils to the protagonists, mirroring their ambitions while reflecting a darker side of the reality. The first X-Men did a great job of this, with Magneto's Brotherhood showing what the X-Men could be if they lost their sense of decency. Magneto was phenomenal in the movie; he used his intellect and powers to mutate a human, a likely painful and horrific process, and then sent him into the world to disintegrate into nothing. But I guess Shaw was cool... he could shoot lasers.
Of course, Shaw did reflect an opposing view to Xavier and Magneto, but he was too comic book. His character was a ridiculous caricature of a villain that had no real depth and existed just to have flashy powers, a big name (I guess he's B-List by now, but still), and a villain from the books that hasn't been used. I would much rather a team of evil parallels come out than a team of villains with cool powers. It's, honestly, way more interesting to watch the subway fight sequence from X-Men, where the Brotherhood completely outmatches the X-Men due to tactics, than the bloodbath at the base from First Class.
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