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Post by malice on Mar 18, 2012 14:06:34 GMT -5
The fight scenes are infinitely more enjoyable now. Big Time. I love a realistic fight. In fact they're so much more enjoyable that they spoil you on the ones that aren't. It's not so bad in older movies, but when modern movies fail to make it believable you end up really disenchanted with what could have been.
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 18, 2012 15:04:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed a lot of Shoot 'Em Up, but it's basically Flynning with guns done both ironically and played straight (because it's just friggin' fun) at the same time. Hell, most John Woo movies pretty cheesy and unrealistic with their action sequences, yet I love them.
I think my favourite sword fight of all time is Inigo vs the Dread Pirate Roberts, and that was definitely Flynning.
~TWF
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Post by Brainstem on Mar 18, 2012 17:21:17 GMT -5
It was Flynning but, as Shoot 'Em Up, it was ironic and played straight and was more of an homage than anything else.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 18, 2012 18:08:36 GMT -5
Princess Bride = comedy. Completely different scenario. (Also, a movie I enjoyed before I started getting fed up with stunt fights. In fact, it was TPM that made me hate stunt fighting)
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 18, 2012 18:20:28 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point by more than a little. I said:
Those were examples of Flynning done properly. The fights were meaningful and fun, and making the fight choreography more realistic would have made them "infinitely more enjoyable".
I'm serious about many John Woo films also being the firearms equivalent to Flynning, too. Infinite ammo, guys getting pushed out windows from the force of gunshots, guys with guns akimbo, and in his later work you see a lot of mid-air, no-hand reloads. And yet they aren't comedies, and the scenes work just fine as long as you're kept properly invested in the outcome of the fight.
Is that at least more clear, even if you disagree?
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 18, 2012 18:26:44 GMT -5
I always understood what you're saying, but I guess I should qualify my point by saying that for some reason, I find Gun Fu less obnoxious than other forms of Flynning (I also hate that term)
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Post by Brainstem on Mar 18, 2012 18:48:36 GMT -5
I think the thing with Gun Fu is that it's such a silly concept that, while it may look interesting, it doesn't have any basis in reality.
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 18, 2012 18:52:02 GMT -5
I think I largely feel the same way. In particular I'm a big sucker for John Woo. ^__^ Hard Boiled is one of my favourite action movies. The first time I saw it it just happened to be on really late at night when I couldn't sleep. My mind was BLOWN.
Anyway, getting back to The Phantom Menace, I'd rather fix the story and dialogue (or lack thereof) in that "climactic" fight scene than the choreography.
~TWF
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Post by malice on Mar 18, 2012 19:41:27 GMT -5
Hard Boiled was a movie that wanted too badly to be a video game. Action movies CAN be too braindead.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 18, 2012 19:45:44 GMT -5
Anyway, getting back to The Phantom Menace, I'd rather fix the story and dialogue (or lack thereof) in that "climactic" fight scene than the choreography. ~TWF I would argue that those are part and parcel of the same problem.
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Post by roxolid on Mar 19, 2012 5:43:12 GMT -5
The action scenes are all that Phantom Menace has. The dialogue is risible and the characters (at best) are wooden and bland, and at worst are unlike-able. If the Action scenes are drab or lacking, it kind of puts the final nails in the coffin. To my mind, the action scenes are 'ok'. The pod race, the starship fight, even the jumpy waving lightsabre thing done in A Team style (where no one gets hurt unless dramatically appropriate). Bear in mind GL aims this at kids (who else will he peddle his plastic tat to?) so all the older fans from the first generation are bound to feel detached from the prequels.
That said, the films are still piles of sh!t.
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Post by roxolid on Mar 19, 2012 5:50:35 GMT -5
It does beg the question (to my mind) though:
TPM 3D did nothing worthwhile at the box office. Whether GL does any more is moot to me because I won't see them in 3D anyway, unless they do the original trilogy in 3D, and the 3D is done in such a way as to make the fantastic set piece scenes even more impressive. Think the trench of the Death Star, Battle of Hoth, Asteroid Chase, Battle of Endor, attack against the Death Star with all those tie fighters on screen and I believe even the most cynical 3D fan (me) will think long and hard before passing those up.
So, that Question then...
Where does Star Wars go from here?
More films? TV series that probably won't happen? More Cartoons? There's no RPG at the moment. Lego toys will continue to fill shelves, computer games will come out (though aside from the MMORPG nothing springs to mind from the last year), the endless range of figures will cover aisles in toys r us, as will the masks and noisy lightsabres etc. In other words, more of the same. Maybe the odd book, comic books, that sort of thing, but nothing we haven't seen before.
What's next? Anything?
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 19, 2012 6:12:34 GMT -5
Last I heard, Lucas was planning to (somehow) do all 6 movies in 3D.
Beyond that, I don't think there are any plans aside from more EU stuff. They have another big "event" planned for the novels in 2014, with rumors that it will be a crossover event with the comics again (but more directly than Legacy of the Jedi/Legacy of the Force).
Other than the Clone Wars cartoon, there are no other TV or movie projects that aren't "suspended indefinitely" that I've heard of.
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Post by Black Sam on Mar 29, 2012 14:14:27 GMT -5
Twentieth Century Fox
George Lucas says fans can forget about any more "Star Wars" movies.
By Courtney Garcia, msnbc.com
Are you a "Star Wars" fan who still holds out hope that Episodes VII, VIII and IX will someday hit theater screens? Don't count on it.
On Wednesday, George Lucas blasted away any chance of ever seeing a new birth of the “Star Wars” franchise when TMZ briefly caught him leaving a Hollywood restaurant.
Asked when the newest installment of “Star Wars” would be, Lucas was blunt: “Never,” he said, adding "I'm retired."
It appears to be Lucas’ latest film venture that turned the prolific filmmaker off moviemaking. After spending 23 years developing and fighting studios to produce “Red Tails,” the first all-black action film, which hit theaters in January, Lucas told the New York Times he was done making action movies. Advertise | AdChoices
“I’m retiring,” Lucas said. “I’m moving away from the business, from the company, from all this kind of stuff.”
Times reporter Bryan Curtis did point out, however, that Lucas was “careful to leave himself an out clause for a fifth 'Indiana Jones' film.”
Talk of three more "Star Wars" films has been floating around almost since the first film came out in 1977. Unlike the prequel trilogy, these films, it was said, would take up the action after the end of "Return of the Jedi," with a sixtysomething Luke Skywalker included. Lucas told "Star Wars Insider" in 1997, " I really don't have any notion other than, 'Gee, it would be interesting to do Luke Skywalker later on.' It wouldn't be part of the main story, but a sequel to this thing."
Of course, “Star Wars” fans can look forward to the re-release of all six original films in 3D -- one per year. “Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace" came to theaters in the extra dimension this February, to fairly negative reviews. "No movie that has cost so much to make should be so hard to see," wrote a Newsday critic, complaining about the 3-D film's darkness.
But to fans, the series will live on even if another big-screen film never appears. A TMZ reader writes, “”Star Wars” will never be dead ... Look at the original “Star Trek” franchise: It was on television in the late 60s and early 70s and there are still people who love those shows. ... Some shows will never die.”
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Post by takewithfood on Mar 29, 2012 15:34:18 GMT -5
I try not to put too much stock into these sorts of announcements, as sometimes they're either designed to drum up some sort of response that film makers and producers can digest and respond to, or they have that effect anyway, unintentionally.
But it's still neat to read. A new Star Wars movie WILL happen, but it's up for debate if it will happen before Lucas kicks the bucket. I don't know if he can resist the temptation forever. He sure seems obsessed enough with meddling with the old ones; clearly he still has ideas that are bothering him.
~TWF
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