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Post by Silentking Alpha on Jun 9, 2012 10:11:17 GMT -5
It was Freshman year when my teacher and a bunch of fan girls pressured me to read all four Twilight books. And yeah, I am still in school. Until next Thursday, then I will be graduating.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 9, 2012 10:13:08 GMT -5
It was Freshman year when my teacher and a bunch of fan girls pressured me to read all four Twilight books. And yeah, I am still in school. Until next Thursday, then I will be graduating. I've read worse crap than Twilight to meet girls...
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Post by Puck on Jun 9, 2012 10:18:30 GMT -5
It was Freshman year when my teacher and a bunch of fan girls pressured me to read all four Twilight books. And yeah, I am still in school. Until next Thursday, then I will be graduating. I've read worse crap than Twilight to meet girls... I havent! Stand up to Hanky Fiction!
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 9, 2012 10:20:17 GMT -5
I've read worse crap than Twilight to meet girls... I havent! Stand up to Hanky Fiction! Who's talking about fiction? Before I was married, I used to read all kinds of crap like Sartre to impress girls.
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Post by Puck on Jun 9, 2012 10:27:57 GMT -5
I havent! Stand up to Hanky Fiction! Who's talking about fiction? Before I was married, I used to read all kinds of crap like Sartre to impress girls. Did it work?
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Jun 9, 2012 10:29:09 GMT -5
I didn't read Twilight to meet girls. I read it because they promised that it would be a good book to read. I am obsessed with reading and I was in a reading slump at the time.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 9, 2012 10:40:55 GMT -5
I didn't read Twilight to meet girls. I read it because they promised that it would be a good book to read. I am obsessed with reading and I was in a reading slump at the time. Oh well then you suck
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 9, 2012 10:41:22 GMT -5
Who's talking about fiction? Before I was married, I used to read all kinds of crap like Sartre to impress girls. Did it work? I don't know I was also stoned a good percentage of that time.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Jun 9, 2012 10:44:20 GMT -5
I didn't read Twilight to meet girls. I read it because they promised that it would be a good book to read. I am obsessed with reading and I was in a reading slump at the time. Oh well then you suck
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Post by Beacon on Jun 9, 2012 16:05:47 GMT -5
It seems like a pretty shady thing to do. DC drove Alan Moore out and now – since they know they aren’t going to get any new work from him – they’re trying to cash in on a property he created.
Granted, how much he “created” is up for debate. He wanted to use the Charlton characters but they wouldn’t let him so he made a book about a bunch of knockoffs that became more popular than the originals. I can see the argument from both sides there.
Of course, if this weren’t about DC strip-mining Moore’s work, then they would have used the Charlton characters (who don’t have much of a presence in the DCnU yet anyway) instead of the Watchmen ones. I’d certainly feel better about a Darwyn Cooke* Blue Beetle story than a Nite Owl story by people who aren’t Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons**.
*Say what you will but Before Watchmen does have some pretty impressive talent attached to it … and J. Michael Straczynski for some reason (what do you want to bet he quits in the middle of the project?).
**Though, as I understand it, Gibbons is actually okay with Before Watchmen so it does have that going for it.
PS: Apparently this thing is going to be another 29 issues of material. I know it’s a money-grab but they aren’t even trying to hide it.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 9, 2012 17:22:31 GMT -5
It seems like a pretty shady thing to do. DC drove Alan Moore out and now – since they know they aren’t going to get any new work from him – they’re trying to cash in on a property he created. They didn't drive him out. His employment with them was always meant to be temporary. He chose not to work with/for them again after that. It's not "shady"... it's exactly what they contracted with him to do.
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Post by Beacon on Jun 10, 2012 16:54:39 GMT -5
It was temporary work, sure. However he’s a big enough name that they’d let him back in a second if they had any sense. DC kind of proved they don’t have any sense by repeatedly burning bridges with a guy who has been a cash cow for them.
Meanwhile Moore seems perfectly happy* to take the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to whatever publisher will have him while taking potshots at DC.
*Or maybe not happy. It’s hard to figure out his expression under that beard.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 10, 2012 17:20:04 GMT -5
If you're talking about about the quality of a business decision, that's an entirely different story. Arguably, upsetting Moore so that he would never work for them again wasn't worth the additional profits they've made by keeping Watchmen in print all these years. In that regard, it'll be interesting to see how Before Watchmen does.
There are also a number of factors that people often don't consider. I'm not saying that DC considered them either, it's not like I was in the meetings, but Moore is notoriously unreliable about deadlines and uncooperative with editors. His name has proven valuable for short bursts of sales, but his runs on established comic books such as WildCATS and Supreme left a lot of fans cold, and arguably resulted in diminished subscription rates for both books. Or maybe people do consider this stuff, and they just for whatever reason consider any decision made on the basis of profitability to be a wrong decision.
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Post by Beacon on Jun 10, 2012 18:13:34 GMT -5
Moore – like Warren Ellis and some others – always struck me as a guy who is at his best when he’s playing with his own toys…even when those toys are repainted knockoffs. That still hasn’t stopped him from writing the definitive Swamp Thing run and some of the most memorable Batman and Superman stories ever. Sure sales on his Wildstorm work was underwhelming but I sort of doubt WildCATs has ever hit those early 90s Jim Lee numbers since the Image launch.
You’re right that he’s notoriously difficult to work with and he’s bad with deadlines but the big two employs plenty of people with that kind of reputation that haven’t made them nearly as much money. Some of them are working on Before Watchmen.
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Post by WildKnight on Jun 10, 2012 19:06:26 GMT -5
You’re right that he’s notoriously difficult to work with and he’s bad with deadlines but the big two employs plenty of people with that kind of reputation Truth. I bet they'd work with Moore, too, if he would work with them. In the entertainment business, the mentality seems to be "as long as we can profit from you, all is forgiven."
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