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Post by Vassago on Mar 17, 2005 4:50:16 GMT -5
Omni-Power
Type: Modifier
Cost: 30
Effect:
- Mimic any ONE non-cosmic Action or Modifier with any advantage *
- Max AV/MV = 10
- LIM: Takes 1 panel to "create" the action or modifier
- LIM: Costs Energy to "create" the action or modifier
[AV/MV + Base cost + Advantage cost]
Optional Limits:
- LIM: Physical or Mental Actions / Modifiers only [-5]
- LIM: Actions or Modifiers only [-5]
- LIM: Creating an action or modifier counts as action (you can only perform 2 per panel) [-5]
Optional Advantages:
- Free Manifestation (generating the action/modifier Doesn't require Energy) + 10
- Instant Manifestation (generating the action/modifier doesn't require the extra panel) + 10
* can't be used to mimic ->
- Any power with base cost of AV +13 (Power Cosmic and such)
- Any Action or Modifier with Fixed Price (destiny force, Immunity ect. ect. )
- Ability Bonus Advantage
- Any other similar Action or Modifier
V.
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Post by Scriptus on Mar 17, 2005 8:14:16 GMT -5
nice power maybe a little over priced. I would say 20 stones. maybe even 15. is the power generated permenant? i'm guessing no. if not when do you loose the power?
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Post by Vassago on Mar 17, 2005 14:10:17 GMT -5
nice power maybe a little over priced. I would say 20 stones. maybe even 15. is the power generated permenant? i'm guessing no. if not when do you loose the power? - The power cost is based on similar powers (steal superpowers and copy action/atribute/modifier) both have wider range, but this has more control. - The power lasts as long as the character concentrates. Knocking the character out would cause him/her to lose it. V. |
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Post by rennyn on Mar 17, 2005 17:11:17 GMT -5
Excuse my newbishness...
AV is..? I'm assuming its Action Number
In which case, you could "create" AN10 Force Blast.. +3 Area Effect, +2 2x Damage.. by expending 15 energy. This Force Blast would cost 40 white stones for a new character, all on its own.
Maybe, if the max was 10 and included all modifiers and advantages in that 10 value, it would be a bit more balanced. But even then you have your choice of any modifier or action in the book with essentially a base cost of 15 white stones or less, at any time you need...
Steal Superpower and Copy both have the HUGE limitation if needing someone around that has that power to steal/copy. That's HUGE. This you can just create anything you like out of thin air, jus ttakes a panel to create.
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Post by Vassago on Mar 17, 2005 19:17:12 GMT -5
Excuse my newbishness... AV is..? I'm assuming its Action Number AV = Action Value = Action Number.... Yes. In which case, you could "create" AN10 Force Blast.. +3 Area Effect, +2 2x Damage.. by expending 15 energy. This Force Blast would cost 40 white stones for a new character, all on its own. True, but Transform self, Unlimited also gives you Every power (and Ability and modifier), It doesn't cost energy and doesn't take any time. You must also be able to put 15 stones to creating the FB meaning that you'd have to have Dur of 5+ or int of 8+ Besides, you can improve actual powers through Experience. Steal Superpower and Copy both have the HUGE limitation if needing someone around that has that power to steal/copy. That's HUGE. This you can just create anything you like out of thin air, jus ttakes a panel to create. - they also give you ALL the powers, skills and abilities from these persons. - they don't cost energy to use - you don't have to wait for the extra panel to gain the powers - but you ARE limited by their Advantages, Limitations and Options. V. |
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Post by rennyn on Mar 17, 2005 23:45:43 GMT -5
True, but Transform self, Unlimited also gives you Every power (and Ability and modifier), It doesn't cost energy and doesn't take any time. I'm not clear on how Transform self with the unlimited option works exactly, but either way it appears to be that you still must pay for the entire other form. The rules are VERY unclear on that power. You must also be able to put 15 stones to creating the FB meaning that you'd have to have Dur of 5+ or int of 8+ A durability of 5 would be a very worthwhile investment for someone with this power, and its not that expensive. Besides, you can improve actual powers through Experience. What other powers would you need if you had this? Get yourself some defensive stuff at low cost, and use your exp to increase that. There'd be no reason to purchase any sort of travelling or attack power, you can just make whatever you need up on the fly, and being able to u se any power at up to AN10.. once again why would you need exp since that's the ideal max anyways? - they also give you ALL the powers, skills and abilities from these persons. This is true, however you are still limited by the powers around you. Being able to pull Toughness bigger than the Hulk's out of thin air, or an Optic Blast that puts Cyclops' to shame out of thin air is a rather large advantage. I will agree though that especially Copy/Steal for a cost of 30 seems absurdly low. Considering there's no limit, and not a contested action, and you can more and more powers up as you get within 10' of people. I guess, just as a balance issue, I'd allow Steal Superpower in a game I ran, but I'd never allow Copy/Steal. I mean 30ws, and say you're in a team of 4 other people. Well hell, who needs your teammates? You can now do everything they can do just as well, and have the best stats of each of them, and that's just until you get within range of the enemy and suddenly you can do all their stuff too. That's just way too much. Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of this power, I've been looking for something similar to the Power Cosmic but on a smaller scale, and this somewhat fits the bill... but I still think it needs to be a little more limited. Perhaps the cap of 10AN should be instead a cap of 10 cost factor (i.e. including options). That gives you a 30ws power that can replicate the effects of every single 15ws action/modifier in the book, and I think that'd be stones well spent. |
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Post by Scriptus on Mar 18, 2005 9:45:22 GMT -5
sorry i misunderstood. thought you had to be in the presence of a person who had that power of this power to work. 30 stones does seem about right then.
i repeat "nice power."
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Post by Vassago on Mar 18, 2005 12:02:38 GMT -5
I'm not clear on how Transform self with the unlimited option works exactly, but either way it appears to be that you still must pay for the entire other form. The rules are VERY unclear on that power. Yes, you'll have to pay for the full form... But, you can choose useless Limitations on your powers and get them cheap. A durability of 5 would be a very worthwhile investment for someone with this power, and its not that expensive. So, after 30 stones on Omni-Power and 9 stones to Dur, What else do you think you can Afford. What other powers would you need if you had this? Get yourself some defensive stuff at low cost, and use your exp to increase that. There'd be no reason to purchase any sort of travelling or attack power, you can just make whatever you need up on the fly, and being able to u se any power at up to AN10.. once again why would you need exp since that's the ideal max anyways? - the point of this power IS in not needing other powers. - Defensive powers are usually modifiers and you can't improve them by using Lines Of Experience. This is true, however you are still limited by the powers around you. Being able to pull Toughness bigger than the Hulk's out of thin air, or an Optic Blast that puts Cyclops' to shame out of thin air is a rather large advantage. And the fact that you'll only have ONE exceptional Action or Modifier is also major limitation... ...As is the fact that you'll burn all your energy in generating the Action/Modifier and have to wait for a while before you can utilize it. I will agree though that especially Copy/Steal for a cost of 30 seems absurdly low. Considering there's no limit, and not a contested action, and you can more and more powers up as you get within 10' of people. I guess, just as a balance issue, I'd allow Steal Superpower in a game I ran, but I'd never allow Copy/Steal. I mean 30ws, and say you're in a team of 4 other people. Well hell, who needs your teammates? You can now do everything they can do just as well, and have the best stats of each of them, and that's just until you get within range of the enemy and suddenly you can do all their stuff too. That's just way too much. - Using 3/4th of your Creation Stones on single Ability/Action/Modifier will limit your character a bit. Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of this power, I've been looking for something similar to the Power Cosmic but on a smaller scale, and this somewhat fits the bill... but I still think it needs to be a little more limited. Perhaps the cap of 10AN should be instead a cap of 10 cost factor (i.e. including options). That gives you a 30ws power that can replicate the effects of every single 15ws action/modifier in the book, and I think that'd be stones well spent. I suggest you take Mastery of Magic and Sorcery, as they work in the way you just described. Copy Action/Atribute/Modifier and Steal Superpowers ARE balanced (unlike Blasting, Mastery of Magic, Sorcery, witchcraft, asgardian sorcery). As using 3/4th of your stones make you a one trick pony... ...it's better to have a GOOD TRICK, don't you think ? "Controversy, in all it's forms, is the spice of life." V. |
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