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Post by Captain-Punisher on Sept 14, 2008 8:06:13 GMT -5
What exactly is this argument about? That some stupid ass writer can sit his fat ass in a chair and write that There character is nothing more then the supreme example of man then write about how he never has to sleep because he finds reading relaxing? That he can have his head removed and keep fighing "the good fight"? And while I'm at it there is another thing that bothers the hell out of me. Captain America and Batman exist in two completely seperate imaginary universes. What is normal for one guy in DC is extrordinary for anyone in Marvel and you know that. Personally, I am in the army. In 06 I went to Ranger School and I will atest to the fact that the normal human can go without sleep for long periods of time only if he is continuesly active a large portion of that time. The conditioned human can go weeks on little sleep but nonmn can go without it no matter if he puts on a mask and has a grudge. Comics would make you think that all you need to do awesome stuff is a mask, cape and cool name. First off most Americans need to lose at least one hundred pounds apiece before they even think of doing a flip off a thirty story building.... I think Bruce Wayne's Wealth should be one point higher. He is a multi-billionaire. The DC equivilant of Statk Industries is Wayne Enterprise after all. I agree with Statecraft. If you don't like how it sounds then chance the name. Too many people around here get too hung up on what the name implies to pay attention to what it actually does. I could give examples but I have no materials on hand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 11:13:15 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure what the argument was about. They posted that Batman stayed up for five days straight fighting a virus, and I simply stated that NAVY Seals did the same thing in hell week. Allot of them got upset about that, and the whole discussion turned into something about human Peak. So, that's when I brought up other freaks of nature like the ones you find in Weight lifting competitions, and people I knew in the Army who could run two miles in around time minutes (maybe a little more, it's been close to eight years now).
Some how there was a miscommunication, and allot of the other people got upset about me listing real world types of people doing what I consider extraordinary things.
I know what you mean about the average person being too fat and not being able to really do anything besides read, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about Special ops type of people, and extreme weight lifters. You know like the ones that toss beer kegs over walls like their nothing.
I was never trying to start an argument, I was simply talking about True Human Peak. Some how somebody mentioned human peak, and the whole even escalated from there.
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Post by Captain-Punisher on Sept 14, 2008 13:13:59 GMT -5
I know you weren't referring to fat people! I just mentioned something that losses me off. I never graduated from Ranger school. There was a miscommunication and I was left out in the woods lost like you wouldn't believe! The marvel site and wiki say Cap can lift 1000 pounds, curl 500, and run a sustained 2 minute mile. Do you know anyone who cAn do this all as well of do summersaults off buildings?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 13:22:50 GMT -5
No, but I did see a Man run two miles in 11 minutes. WHen you break that down it was a 5 1/2 minute mile.
The guy that ran that mile told me he seen a guy run two miles in 9 minutes before though. Which is around a 4 1/2 minute mile. I'm not as sure about Weight Lifting Freaks because I've spent even less time with them though. I mean I work out, and I'm around 190 right now (not fat either). I'm just talking about your guys who are around 500lbs.
My extent of knowledge about Gymnast is I dated one once up on a time, and I've also dated a girl who was a ballerina. They were both very flexible, but that's a completely different story.
There's no shame in not graduating from Ranger School, there are plenty of people who haven't. When I was in Basic Training I got nervous on Weapons Qualification and shot the guys next to me targets. Of course, After I calmed down I shot fine, but I'm just saying I know how Faux Pas can turn out some time
One time I seen an episode of Mythbusters about comic books though. It was really interesting. One of the myths was the thing where a super hero with a ring would leave the rings impression when they hit them. The Human bone would break before that happen. Another one was the cable that Batman would fire from his batmobile to make a 90 degree turn. There's not Cable known to man that can withstand that kind of kind of force. They did make a very impressive device to scale up walls quickly though. It wasn't compact enough to fit on a belt, but I would say you could have it in a holster. I think it was around one and a half feel long. It was a must see episode for any comic book fan.
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Post by Jet on Sept 14, 2008 15:34:39 GMT -5
Can we skip the Batman vs real life debate? It goes nowhere.
Back on the track: Seeing how tough Batman is, I begin to wonder- how good is Cassandra Cain? Or Lady Shiva? Does anyone have enough knowledge and source material to make good CAD's for them, that is "compatybile" to Asmodeus's Batman?
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Post by Kaimontfendo on Sept 14, 2008 15:54:33 GMT -5
Can we skip the Batman vs real life debate? It goes nowhere. I agree. This is a good thread, and I'd hate to see it get locked because two guys can't see each other's points and accept them.
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Post by MadCap on Sept 14, 2008 20:37:46 GMT -5
Can we skip the Batman vs real life debate? It goes nowhere. Back on the track: Seeing how tough Batman is, I begin to wonder- how good is Cassandra Cain? Or Lady Shiva? Does anyone have enough knowledge and source material to make good CAD's for them, that is "compatybile" to Asmodeus's Batman? Well technically speaking both are supposed to be better than Batman in HtH. Shiva and her daughter Cain are two of the big three martial artists of the DC world. The third is someone named Richard Dragon. I guess Deathstroke's powers disqualifies him. Yet if I recall Batman has beaten Shiva before. Though some people were saying as she was brainwashed at the time she wasn't at her peak. And when Cain and Shiva went head to head, basically Shiva won once but Cain won the rematch. If you were taking 7 to be tops for skill in Close Combat. Using Cap America and Wolverine as a measuring stick they would be both 7's. However even among 7's, some 7's are better than other 7's. In the way it is generally accepted that Cap is better than Wolverine in HtH. Statswise they are peak human all the way. Though Cain has for all practical purposes has Superhuman agility. Her ability to co-ordinate her actions is superhuman. Even though her base agility isn't. Oh Lady Shiva will have a specialty line for 'Leopard Blow'. It is her favorite finishing move. She likes to use it on all her prey. ;D MadCap
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Post by MadCap on Sept 14, 2008 20:41:45 GMT -5
No, but I did see a Man run two miles in 11 minutes. WHen you break that down it was a 5 1/2 minute mile. Dude if you have ever watched the movie 'Chariots of Fire' you would know the 4 minute mile barrier has been broken way back in the 50's. Think the current world record is 3 minute 42 seconds or so. MadCap
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Post by WildKnight on Sept 14, 2008 20:46:07 GMT -5
Batman hasn't beaten Shiva, but he's had his butt handed to him by her.
Well, he hasn't beaten Shiva in a fight. Batman did trick her into getting herself arrested at least once.
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Post by WildKnight on Sept 14, 2008 20:52:09 GMT -5
Oh!
On the issue of Batman & coffee... its funny. Some writers have clearly shown the guy not only drinking coffee, even popping pills to stay active (Frank Miller is the only writer I can say for certain has shown the man popping pills, and nothing Frank Miller has ever written for Batman is canon, but its still worth noting...)
HOWEVER... other authors have shown that Batman lives in a very strict and regimented diet, and that he never takes any stimulants or sedatives of any kind.
Honestly... I'm more inclined to believe that Batman could pull off the things he does on his yoga diet than by drinking caffeine and taking pain pills, but maybe thats just me.
I know this doesn't really have any bearing on my original point, which is whether Batman has paranormal capabilities, but its just an interesting side-note, IMO.
Oh, and I found the statement "popping speed like a trucker" to be pretty amusing, for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 20:54:51 GMT -5
No, but I did see a Man run two miles in 11 minutes. WHen you break that down it was a 5 1/2 minute mile. Dude if you have ever watched the movie 'Chariots of Fire' you would know the 4 minute mile barrier has been broken way back in the 50's. Think the current world record is 3 minute 42 seconds or so. MadCap I've never seen it, but I will probably rent it
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Post by MadCap on Sept 14, 2008 20:58:07 GMT -5
HOWEVER... other authors have shown that Batman lives in a very strict and regimented diet, and that he never takes any stimulants or sedatives of any kind. Honestly... I'm more inclined to believe that Batman could pull off the things he does on his yoga diet than by drinking caffeine and taking pain pills, but maybe thats just me. Oh, and I found the statement "popping speed like a trucker" to be pretty amusing, for some reason. Actually I have to disagree with you with regards to the 'New Age' Bats image you just put into my head. (Please stop...) I feel a painkiller, Speed popping Batman to be more 'gritty' and 'intense'. But he will be too hard core to be addicted to them of course. Moreover as CEO of Waynetech, he must get the best stuff in the world. MadCap
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Post by MadCap on Sept 14, 2008 21:00:47 GMT -5
Batman hasn't beaten Shiva, but he's had his butt handed to him by her. Well, he hasn't beaten Shiva in a fight. Batman did trick her into getting herself arrested at least once. I think I read somewhere he did so. She was brainwashed, not really in control of herself, hence 'not on her game'. But then she was nice to help him out after he got his back broken by training him. Call her Lady Shiva, the world's most dangerous Physical Therapist! MadCap
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Post by WildKnight on Sept 14, 2008 21:07:06 GMT -5
I'm not sold on the value of all this "gritty" super hero stuff. I think DC is wise to turn their direction away from it... its spiraling out of control and getting to a point of being almost unreadable.
I don't disagree with your statement about Batman being more gritty if he takes painkillers, but I do know that in the real world, people who eat specialized diets and manage their pain with self-discipline are healthier than those who drink a bunch of coffee to wake up in the morning, a bunch of Red Bull to stay awake at night, and take an aspirin at the first sign of a headache.
Don't get me wrong... I'm no health nut. I love red meat and Dr. Pepper may as well be mothers milk to me. But I do know that Bruce Lee may be the closest thing to super-human anybody has achieved in the real world in recent years, and that guy didn't even take pain pills when he broke his back.
Batman obviously isn't "new age"... but he did learn the secrets of martial arts masters from around the world, and most of those arts do tend to come along with certain lifestyle elements, including a highly regimented intake system.
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Post by MadCap on Sept 14, 2008 21:13:08 GMT -5
I'm not sold on the value of all this "gritty" super hero stuff. I think DC is wise to turn their direction away from it... its spiraling out of control and getting to a point of being almost unreadable. I don't disagree with your statement about Batman being more gritty if he takes painkillers, but I do know that in the real world, people who eat specialized diets and manage their pain with self-discipline are healthier than those who drink a bunch of coffee to wake up in the morning, a bunch of Red Bull to stay awake at night, and take an aspirin at the first sign of a headache. Don't get me wrong... I'm no health nut. I love red meat and Dr. Pepper may as well be mothers milk to me. But I do know that Bruce Lee may be the closest thing to super-human anybody has achieved in the real world in recent years, and that guy didn't even take pain pills when he broke his back. Batman obviously isn't "new age"... but he did learn the secrets of martial arts masters from around the world, and most of those arts do tend to come along with certain lifestyle elements, including a highly regimented intake system. But it is obvious all that Yoga didn't take. He can't let his parent's death go and spends his nights jumping off tall buildings, hitting people while dressed up as a rodent! If anyone goes on a combination of sure grit and pharmaceuticals it will be the Batman. (Don't take this as a put-down on the Batman, it isn't) MadCap
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