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Post by piratespice on Sept 19, 2003 1:27:07 GMT -5
MEPHISTO Unrevealed
Height: 6'6" Weight: 310 lbs. Eye Color: White Hair Color: Black Species: Demon
ABILITIES Intelligence: 9 Strength: 9 Agility: 9 Speed: 5 Durability: 15
Health: 15 Energy: 45
ACTIONS Mastery of Magic: 10 (Intelligence Bonus) - Accumulate Energy - Increase Action Number
Sorcery: 10 (Intelligence Bonus) - Can substitute Action Number for Strength, Agility, or Speed
Magical Travel: 10 (Intelligence Bonus)
Social Skills: 10 - Lies - Corruption - Temptation - Bargaining
MODIFIERS Appearance: Tall, red skin, white eyes with no apparent pupils Toughness: (+8) Self-Contained Life Form, invulnerable to toxins, disease, heat, cold, and corrosives Immortality Cannot read or manipulate minds or emotions Weaker away from home dimension, Durability reduces by 1 per day away, to a minimum of 10 Wealth: (15)
EQUIPMENT None
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Post by Vassago on Oct 17, 2003 3:09:53 GMT -5
Out of his Domain (Hell) his power level is just bellow Silver Surfer, at least in comics.
He has Godlike power ( just as Loki ) and not Mastery of magic, Sorcery, Summoning or Magic Travel.
Possibility is...
Int: 9 Str: 9 Agi: 7 Spd: 5 Dur: 9 (12)
9/27 (12/36)
Close Combat 4 General Knowledge 10 -Magic -Dimensions -Demons -Beings of power -History Social Skills 10 -lies -corrupion -tempting -bargaining Flight 5 God-like power 9 -hellfire x2 dam (x3 in Hell) -Transformation of objects and creatures -teleport & summoning -telepathy - And various other applications
toughness 7 no x2 dam, no AP Self-Contained Immortal Recontitute self (Instant in Hell) Healing factor (Accelerated in Hell) Lord of Hell +3 stones to powers and Durability in Hell
Cannot read or manipulate minds or emotions
Wealth: 10+ (as needed).
By the way Mephistos hair is dark red.
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Post by piratespice on Nov 29, 2003 17:42:00 GMT -5
Here is the difficulty in writing up a character like this...sources vary greatly in the description of him. For example, you say Mephisto has "godlike" power, not magic...yet every resource I can find about Mephisto describes his powers as magical in nature. It is natural magic, not trained...but magical nonetheless. Likewise, something as simple as hair color...some sources say red, others say black.
Though I doubt they were intended this way, Vassago, you need to realize how arrogant your responses seem (at least those that I've seen). You don't seem to bother to debate a point, but rather assume that your knowledge of these characters is tantamount. Telling someone they're wrong outright, without providing any kind of evidence or leaving room for debate is obnoxious and leaves you open to be made a fool of if and when someone defending their point of view can actually show that they are correct. Please, in the future, show some restraint when trying to display your knowledge of comic books.
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Post by Vassago on Dec 1, 2003 6:14:10 GMT -5
How true.....
How ever mephisto would have too many actions if one would make him by using standard magical actions from MURPG sourcebook.... God-Like Power like Loki's (he uses magic too), make his character more like the one in comics......
The defence rests.....
by the way I AM ARROGANT by nature......
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Post by piratespice on Dec 2, 2003 23:33:44 GMT -5
How true..... How ever mephisto would have too many actions if one would make him by using standard magical actions from MURPG sourcebook.... God-Like Power like Loki's (he uses magic too), make his character more like the one in comics...... The defence rests..... The one in the comics is repeatedly describes as using magic. Mastery of Magic is already near-limitless in what it can accomplish, Sorcery even more so. At least these actually have rules (albeit vague rules) written up for them, as opposed to an open-ended Action like "God-Like Power," which begs the question "Why bother writing up a character with God-Like Power?" As for the number of Actions, hm...I believe my write-up grants him four Actions. Let's see, nine is the maximum...four is...omigosh! Less than half of that! Need I say more? Then do me a favor and keep your opinions to yourself. I am interested in constructive criticism. The ignorant blathering of self-important know-it-alls like you is unwelcome.
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Post by Vassago on Dec 5, 2003 5:58:04 GMT -5
about the hair.... Both The Ultimate Handbook of Marvel Universe & The handbook of Marvel Universe Master Edition gives him Red Hair.....
About Actions.... Your version lacks his Immense Knowlegde of dimensions, occult, magic and other beings of power and so forth.
About modifiers.... He can't be killed... therefore he needs reconstitute self
About opinions.... This is a forum where people exchange their views about marvel characters and their stats... I only offered another view to Mephisto agree or not, your choise.....
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Post by piratespice on Dec 5, 2003 16:57:15 GMT -5
About opinions.... This is a forum where people exchange their views about marvel characters and their stats... I only offered another view to Mephisto agree or not, your choise..... I never said you were wrong for having another view of Mephisto. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions about the character, differing or otherwise. This was never about your opinions of the character, and you know it. So don't try to mask the real issue here. Take a look at any of my other submissions and the responses to them, and you will see that I have always welcomed...and let me make sure you can't ignore it this time... CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Anything constructive about your original post was lost behind its arrogance. You did not, as you say, "only" offer another view of Mephisto. You presented it in a manner that blatantly said that mine was wrong, attempting to leave no room for debate or disagreement (hm...your argument for exchanging opinions of characters falls apart here). Even worse, you provided NO evidence at the time to back up your claims. When I pointed out how your posts come off (at which time I specifically stated that I didn't think you were intending to sound that way), you responded with further deliberate arrogance, and tried to excuse yoru behavior with some fabricated line about being arrogant by nature. Nobody is naturally arrogant. It is insecure plebeians like you that choose to be arrogant to compensate for your lack of actual character. So, to sum up, by all means share your opinions and points of view. Please feel free to participate in civil discussion on these forums. Even feel free to politely tell someone they're wrong, but you'd better have the evidence to back it up, or I'm sure I won't be the only one to go for the throat when you expose it.
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Post by ArtOfMagic on Jan 16, 2004 10:31:58 GMT -5
Vassago might be arrogant, but he is usually right.
Now about power, Gods of magic do not USE magic, they ARE magic. You cannot give loki or mephisto sorcery or MoM, they are not sorcerers. They channel magic. When did you see loki or mephisto spend one panel on casting spell? they just direct their wish and it happens, in the same panel.
Magic has this one panel casting limitation. All magic. (in base book)
If the reference source says it's magic, it may not mean basic magic in the core book, but it means it is magic. just magic, not sorcery, witchcraft etc. God like Power: magic describes it best. You cannot actually have rules for grand powers, they do what ever they have done before and what fit's their description.
-Magician, not a god.
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Post by beyonder on Jan 16, 2004 13:05:34 GMT -5
Vassago might be arrogant, but he is usually right. Well .... he IS pretty bright and often correct, but in my experience, those who are arrogant are less open to modifying their viewpoints, and are therefore actually right less often, regardless of intellect, education, or creativity. This is why personally, though I do tend toward arrogance and control issues, I try to contain and control those problems, rather than brag about them or use them as psychological crutches. Just a thought .... and I could be wrong! (See? I'm getting better.) Magic has this one panel casting limitation. All magic. (in base book) Actually, that's not true, according to the book. Pg. 63 says "The following 4 restrictions are very important to the practice of Magic in this game. Some or all of them (emphasis mine) apply to everything you do with Mastery of Magic, Sorcery, Summoning, and Witchcraft." In fact, Sorcery, Summoning, Witchcraft, Voodoo, and Asgardian Sorcery are subject only to the first two restrictions; only Mastery of Magic itself requires a Panel of prep.
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Post by piratespice on Jan 18, 2004 18:06:16 GMT -5
I think Beyond handled that one nicely. But I will add that he is only right according to the sources he chooses to cite. He tends to latch onto one source and use it as the be-all end-all of his argument despite contradictory sources.
That is one point of view that has never been absolutely established in the Marvel universe. Both Mephisto and the Asgardian "gods" have been referred to as simply extradimensional beings. Because we attach terms like "god" and "demon" to them, we tend to want to think of them as omnipotent beings, which they are clearly not.
Not true. Take Loki in particular. Most of his grandest plans start with involved rituals and spells, not a simple nose-wiggle. Now take the best model for magic in Marvel...Dr. Strange. When is the last time he took two Panels to cast a spell? Generally only the most powerful ones. Otherwise, he whips out magical blasts and entrapping bands like pocket lint.
Then why make stats? If what you're saying is true, then they should never spend stones on their powers. No super-hero, no matter how powerful, would be able to go toe-to-toe with these beings. But they do.
Don't be fooled by the term "god." As I said above, gods in Marvel are just powerful, extradimensional beings. Marvel "gods" can very well be nothing more than incredibly powerful magicians. Look at Dormammu, for instance (at least I think so...I may be getting his background screwed up a bit).
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Post by ArtOfMagic on Jan 19, 2004 5:49:11 GMT -5
Actually, that's not true, according to the book. Pg. 63 says "The following 4 restrictions are very important to the practice of Magic in this game. Some or all of them (emphasis mine) apply to everything you do with Mastery of Magic, Sorcery, Summoning, and Witchcraft." In fact, Sorcery, Summoning, Witchcraft, Voodoo, and Asgardian Sorcery are subject only to the first two restrictions; only Mastery of Magic itself requires a Panel of prep.
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I have read magic section dozen times and I still cannot be sure what they mean. I guess that taking the stand that if Sorcery does not specifically say it takes extra panel, then it doesn't. It makes this problem easier. After that, I cannot understand Why Witchcraft cost's the same as Hex-spheres even if it has that power included plus other abilities. Duration is somewhat more limited though. Sorcery can do anything you imagine with some pre-defined limitations, but costs the same as telekinesis, which it propably emulates quite well. Magic is quite flashy, so it's not subtle in any way, and draws extra planar enemies. I still believe that Loki and Mephisto do not use mortal magic. Loki must be officially a god isn't he? What about Mephisto, is he a mortal sorcerer??
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Post by ArtOfMagic on Jan 19, 2004 6:03:10 GMT -5
Does anyone think that magic blast should have a duration? Examples say no. But something makes me think that perhaps you always have to put one dot on duration. Now I know, it's mephisto's fault!
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Post by piratespice on Jan 19, 2004 6:33:25 GMT -5
I still believe that Loki and Mephisto do not use mortal magic. Loki must be officially a god isn't he? What about Mephisto, is he a mortal sorcerer?? Loki is a god, but only because that is how the people of Earth percieve him. He is not a god in the sense that we commonly think of deities; the omnipotent, unknowable entities that many RPGs make deities out to be. The Asgardian gods (as well as the Olympians and other gods in the Marvel Universe) are, in essence, extradimenional aliens. Really friggin' powerful aliens...but aliens nonetheless. The same way, Mephisto is not the Devil, though he is often perceived that way by the peoples of Earth. Nor is he necessarily a demon. It is made very clear that it is unclear just what Mephisto is, or where he comes from. As best we can tell, much like Loki, he is a powerful alien entity of some sort. As for using "mortal" magic...I don't think a distinction is made, other than the methods used. "Magical energy," as far as I can tell, is universal throughout Marvel. Dr. Strange and the Enchantress might use different methods and spells to accomplish their goals, but they are drawing on the same sources and energies.
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Post by beyonder on Jan 19, 2004 7:21:44 GMT -5
Does anyone think that magic blast should have a duration? Examples say no. But something makes me think that perhaps you always have to put one dot on duration. Now I know, it's mephisto's fault! I'd say not. Why complicate matters? Why charge extra for a basic power?
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Post by beyonder on Jan 19, 2004 8:02:39 GMT -5
I have read magic section dozen times and I still cannot be sure what they mean. Well, the section on Mastery of Magic lists four Restrictions, all of which apply to Mastery (only) unless otherwise stated. Sorcery, Summoning, Witchcraft, Voodoo, and Asgardian Sorcery all list their Restrictions: specifically, #s 1 and 2. What exactly is unclear here? After that, I cannot understand Why Witchcraft cost's the same as Hex-spheres even if it has that power included plus other abilities. Duration is somewhat more limited though. While we're at it, Witchcraft also encompasses Good and Bad Luck, each of which is a + 6 Modifier which cannot (outside of Witchcraft) be taken together!!! I guess the reason that this, and Hex-Spheres too, is fair is because of the Restrictions: all three require extra Energy for both range and duration. Now that I think about it, I guess that Luck and Curse are Actions rather than Modifiers: a Witchcraft user doesn't automatically have good luck and his opponents bad luck .... he has to spend time, Energy, and forethought on it. So, like Sorcery, Witchcraft is a very wide-ranging Action which is very costly in Energy!
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