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Post by agentofshield on Nov 6, 2008 22:24:33 GMT -5
Hey guys - I just got the MURG books a few days ago and am in the process of starting a campaign. I thought I'd make this first post, the stats I came up with for Nick Fury. I based him largely on The Punisher, with a bit of influence from Captain America. What do you all think? Should he have some Technology ranks? This is classic Nick Fury, i.e. as Director of SHIELD.
Intelligence: 4 Strength: 3 Agility: 3 Speed: 2 Durability: 3
Health: 3 Energy: 9
-Actions Close Combat: 7: Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Jiu Jitsu, Captain America training, streetfighting, SHIELD training, Knife Fighting Ranged Combat: 7: Special Weapons, Small Arms, Sniper Rifles, Assault Weapons, Heavy Weapons, Grenade Thowing, Knife Throwing Special Ops: 8: Demolitions, Surveillance, Shadowing, Escape, Infiltration, Ambush, Outdoor Survival, Interrogation Vehicle Operation: 6: Military Aircraft, Watercraft, Helicopters, Light Vehicles, Heavy Vehicles, SHIELD Helicarrier Social Skills: 6: Military, SHIELD protocol, government agencies, superhero community, strategy, legal/police procedures
-Modifiers Reflexive Dodge: +2 Immortal Cyclopean: Fury enjoys a +2 Targeting bonus but this is negated by a -2 penalty due to the loss of his left eye from a shrapnel wound in WWII. This distinguishing characteristic also makes it difficult for Fury to go in disguise, calling for extra measures. Team affiliation: SHIELD
-Equipment Needle Pistol: Stats? SHIELD Plasma Rifle SHIELD Uniform: +1 Def Glider Suit: alternate uniform, grants gliding Frag Grenades Personal Cloaking Device: Invisibility 6 for ten panels a day. Magnetic Watch Combat Knife SHIELD Communicator Wealth: 3
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Post by Jet on Nov 7, 2008 19:39:54 GMT -5
Needs leadership, technology (decent ammount) and some General Knowledge about criminals, superheroes and SHIELD related stuff. And just becouse he has only one eye, doesnt mean he's worse aim. I'd say that he's one of the best sharpshooters in Marvel (bested possibly only by Hawkeye, Bullseye and other targetting types), and lack of one eye makes no difference.
And dont base him on Punisher, becouse, well... his CAD requires some changes too. But for starters, I'd say you did a good job.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 7, 2008 20:53:54 GMT -5
Having one eye would make a difference, in real life. A person with one eye loses depth perception, making targeting extremely difficult. HOWEVER, as Playah points out... Nick Fury shoots as well as anybody who doesn't have a targeting-related super-power in Marvel, so it doesn't seem to hinder him much.
Leadership (I'd actually give him Statecraft... the guy headed up an organization with thousands of employees and hundred-billion dollar budgets...) is a must.
Close Combat 7? No. Nick Fury is nowhere near the equal of Captain America or Wolverine in a fist fight.
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Post by browwiw on Nov 7, 2008 22:15:32 GMT -5
Here's a Fury write-up I did a long while back: murpg.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=Hero&action=display&thread=516Personally, I do believe Nick would have a Close Combat of 7. He's around a century old and been in prime physical condition the entire time. Even an hour a day of sparring for that long would have honed his skills to an incredible level. He just doesn't have the superhuman enhancements to back it up like Cap and Logan.
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Post by agentofshield on Nov 8, 2008 15:31:17 GMT -5
I actually had Fury with Leadership 5...don't know why I forgot to include that. I think I will go ahead and switch it to Statecraft - SHIELD is larger than plenty of world governments.
As for his accuracy - I think he's a damn good shot as is, and doesn't need a targeting bonus to prove it. I'll keep the Cyclopean feature.
I could see taking his Close Combat down to 6, but no lower than that. I personally think it should stay at 7, though. Thanks for the link, browwiw - I noticed it after I posted this version, and made a few tweaks after seeing it. You're in Kentucky? I'm from Paducah...going to Murray State right now.
So, here is my final version of Nick Fury. Gear hasn't changed, so I won't note it. As Director of SHIELD, he pretty near has anything he needs anyhow.
Thanks for the comments, guys!
Col. Nick Fury Abilities Intelligence: 4 Strength: 3 Agility: 3 Speed: 2 Durability: 3
Health: 3 Energy: 9
Actions Close Combat (Str or Wpn): 7: Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Jiu Jitsu, Captain America training, Streetfighting, SHIELD Training, Knife Fighting
Ranged Combat (Wpn): 7: Special Weapons, Small Arms, Sniper Rifles, Assault Weapons, Heavy Weapons, Grenade Thowing, Knife Throwing
Special Ops: 8: Demolitions, Surveillance, Interrogation, Escape, Infiltration, Ambush, Survival, Paratrooper
Statecraft: 5: Tactics/strategy, dealing with superheroes, government agencies, legal/police procedures, persuasion
Social Skills: 5: Military, SHIELD protocol, streetwise, lying, spy culture
Technology (Int): 5: Security systems, SHIELDTech
Vehicle Operation: 6: Aircraft, Watercraft, Military Vehicles, Light Vehicles, Heavy Vehicles, SHIELD Helicarrier
Modifiers Reflexive Dodge: +2 Toughness: +1 Extended Life (Infinity Formula) Cyclopean: Nick Fury enjoys a +2 Targeting bonus to his attacks, but this is negated by a -2 penalty due to the loss of his left eye from a shrapnel wound in WWII. This distinguishing characteristic also makes it difficult for Fury to go in disguise, calling for extra measures. Wealth: 3 Director of SHIELD
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Post by chaosbringer on Nov 8, 2008 23:26:48 GMT -5
NO CC:7!!!
That stat is reserved ONLY for the "best on the planet" CC specialists. Wolverine is "the best at what he does," Cap Am is the best our country has to offer, and more importantly it's an action they actually use. It's been well documented their level of combat prowess. With Nick Fury we have very little to base this off of. How often does Fury charge headlong into a fist fight with the likes of the incredible Hulk? Thor? Hell, how do you really think he would fare against the likes of DareDevil and Iron Fist? I'm guessing not great. Really all this number is being based on is a totally unsupported theory about him training for 100 years and total fan boy bias. I know you're new at this ,but I 'd just like to make it clear to everyone, it would be a lot easier to respect your CAD's if they were not made as a total dis to every other character in the Marvel U.
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Post by chaosbringer on Nov 8, 2008 23:32:45 GMT -5
Besides, he doesn't have the energy to put 7 stones into CC and pay for his Str bonus anyways. 7+3=10 With only Energy: 9 he would lose nothing by reducing CC to 6(Str or Wpn).
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Post by GhostKnight on Nov 8, 2008 23:49:35 GMT -5
NO CC:7!!! That stat is reserved ONLY for the "best on the planet" CC specialists. Wolverine is "the best at what he does," Cap Am is the best our country has to offer, and more importantly it's an action they actually use. It's been well documented their level of combat prowess. With Nick Fury we have very little to base this off of. How often does Fury charge headlong into a fist fight with the likes of the incredible Hulk? Thor? Hell, how do you really think he would fare against the likes of DareDevil and Iron Fist? I'm guessing not great. Really all this number is being based on is a totally unsupported theory about him training for 100 years and total fan boy bias. I know you're new at this ,but I 'd just like to make it clear to everyone, it would be a lot easier to respect your CAD's if they were not made as a total dis to every other character in the Marvel U. Actually the best fighter is Maestro (Hulk in an alternate future) with C.C. of 10 + Str bonus. I think most people can take critics but it is better, Chaosbringer, to be constructive about them. Nick Fury is a seasoned fighter with a lot of fighting experience. He might be as good as the Punisher (C.C. 7) or even a level less (C.C. 6 like Dr. Strange) due to not having that much time to train. Now, both Wolverine and Captain America have other bonuses like Healing Factor/2x Healing, Claws/Shield and Reflexive Dodge/Toughness to back them up in a fight aside form enhanced abilities that make it not fair for a regular human to fight them. Besides, he doesn't have the energy to put 7 stones into CC and pay for his Str bonus anyways. 7+3=10 With only Energy: 9 he would lose nothing by reducing CC to 6(Str or Wpn). Maybe he doesn't have 10 stones in reserve but he could add 7 stones AND a weapon modifier to do more damage.
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Post by agentofshield on Nov 10, 2008 1:14:07 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe it's not so much seen these days, but when Nick has had his own series, he frequently got into bareknuckle brawls with multiple skilled opponents at the same time and came out on top. Like I said, I could see taking it down to 6, but certainly no lower. And just like Cap and Wolvie, DD and Iron Fist have other bonuses to toss around. I'm sure Nick would put up a good fight, and maybe even win if he was smart about it, but their other bonuses would probably pull through. Clearly he would lose to the Hulk in a fistfight...but on a technical level, he is a much better fighter.
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 11, 2008 6:37:50 GMT -5
Okay, lets analyze this realistically. We've seen Captain America and Nick Fury fight. Captain America won in like... 4 moves. Fury didn't even put up a reasonable competition. Captain America is only "peak human" according to the comics, so no excuses about Cap having attribute bonuses, etc... and Cap wasn't using his shield.
Fury is tough as nails, no doubt. But he is NOT in the arena of Captain America & Wolverine when it comes to hand to hand fighting.
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Post by agentofshield on Nov 11, 2008 12:16:18 GMT -5
Valid points, all. I don't think that's out of order with the rules, though: I'm pretty sure that with his higher energy and health, Cap could beat this version of Fury in about that amount of time. Also, as can be seen on the Cap revision thread I started, my Cap would have a CC of 8 anyway, so they wouldn't be on the same level, at least in my games. <shrug>
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Post by MadCap on Nov 11, 2008 19:53:17 GMT -5
Okay, lets analyze this realistically. We've seen Captain America and Nick Fury fight. Captain America won in like... 4 moves. Fury didn't even put up a reasonable competition. Captain America is only "peak human" according to the comics, so no excuses about Cap having attribute bonuses, etc... and Cap wasn't using his shield. Fury is tough as nails, no doubt. But he is NOT in the arena of Captain America & Wolverine when it comes to hand to hand fighting. I've always thought Punisher's Close Combat of 7 was too high as well. Punisher is a gunman. While he does great without a gun, He is in his element with lots of brass flying. And Yeah totally agree with Wildknight that Fury is not in Cap's class in hand to hand. MadCap
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Post by WildKnight on Nov 11, 2008 20:14:51 GMT -5
Punishers 7 is too high, I agree. It seems like they just sort of gave everybody who shows any skill at hand to hand in the comics a 7.
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Post by MadCap on Nov 11, 2008 20:21:06 GMT -5
Punishers 7 is too high, I agree. It seems like they just sort of gave everybody who shows any skill at hand to hand in the comics a 7. Yeah in a world, where Daredevil has a CC of 5. Punisher's 7 seems very out of place. I actually put the blame partially in the Classic Marvel game, where I think Punisher has the max fighting score of Amazing, and the game designer's just converted over accordingly. Daredevil has a Remarkable fighting score IRC. Thing has Incredible fighting IIRC, which is the same as Wolverine's funny enough. I think you can justifiably knock those scores down and just move on. Much like Warmachine's uber agility. MadCap
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Post by browwiw on Nov 11, 2008 21:47:20 GMT -5
It always kind of bugged me, too, that Black Panther 'only' had a CC of 5. I thought he was supposed to be world class.
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