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Post by WildKnight on Jul 25, 2011 12:31:26 GMT -5
That must be some kinda newfangled suit for him or something, because I've got some reprints of the Invaders stuff from WWII, and I don't remember him having the gold collar and belt...
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Post by takewithfood on Jul 25, 2011 13:24:42 GMT -5
Weird, that's the only way I've seen him before. I never really read the comics, though, I just came across him on a marvel wiki or something once. I've never cared for the F4.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Jul 25, 2011 13:31:06 GMT -5
Jim Hammond was never in the Fantastic Four, that I'm aware of. Johnny Storm was a Silver Age redux of the Jim Hammond character.
Jim Hammond disappeared after the Golden Age, and as far as I know never reappeared in comics until the 80's, when he was resurrected by The Scarlet Witch.
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Post by takewithfood on Jul 25, 2011 13:50:48 GMT -5
Oh. See? I don't even know what I'm talking about with this guy. lol
~TWF
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Post by toast on Jul 25, 2011 18:33:11 GMT -5
I just thought was supposed to be a "hey, look, Howard Stark was already working on super suits!" sort of thing I mean, aside from the costume being red, I didn't see anything to suggest that was the Human Torch. It doesn't have the iconic lines (WWII Torch had lines in his suit even when he wasn't on fire), and the mannequin doesn't have any facial features or anything to suggest it's meant to be Jim Hammond. Well it was at the world fair and he is in a glass tube contraption.
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Post by toast on Jul 25, 2011 18:38:37 GMT -5
That must be some kinda newfangled suit for him or something, because I've got some reprints of the Invaders stuff from WWII, and I don't remember him having the gold collar and belt... He got it later in the 90's when the West Coast Avengers revived him.
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Post by WildKnight on Jul 25, 2011 18:57:22 GMT -5
That must be some kinda newfangled suit for him or something, because I've got some reprints of the Invaders stuff from WWII, and I don't remember him having the gold collar and belt... He got it later in the 90's when the West Coast Avengers revived him. S'what I said... newfangled. His WWII getup was pretty much just his normal "flame on" look but with a human head that looked suspiciously like Johnny Storm.
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Post by toast on Jul 25, 2011 19:10:17 GMT -5
He got it later in the 90's when the West Coast Avengers revived him. S'what I said... newfangled. His WWII getup was pretty much just his normal "flame on" look but with a human head that looked suspiciously like Johnny Storm. Actually in flame on mode he had no facial features, but when not "flaming" he looked like a blond haired human. I thought he was always in a red suit though.
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Post by WildKnight on Jul 25, 2011 19:27:30 GMT -5
Er... again.. that's what I just said.
Jim Hammond, when he wasn't "on"... looked exactly like he did when he was, except that his head was human. Same red suit with dumb lines. Sometimes they didn't put the lines in, which I guess was supposed to indicate that he wasn't on fire.
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Post by toast on Jul 25, 2011 19:41:20 GMT -5
Er... again.. that's what I just said. Jim Hammond, when he wasn't "on"... looked exactly like he did when he was, except that his head was human. Same red suit with dumb lines. Sometimes they didn't put the lines in, which I guess was supposed to indicate that he wasn't on fire. Also it had something to do with oxygen originally. Like you said he was always on fire, because originally he lit up when he was in oxygen. When he was first presented to the world it was at the World Fair and he was in a glass case that was free of oxygen. Dr Phineous Horton (Or something like that) introduced oxygen into his case and he lit up for everyone to see. I guess he eventually got more control in the long run because he fell in love with a girl.
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Post by Beacon on Aug 3, 2011 22:58:33 GMT -5
I’m not sure how to feel about this movie.
It wasn’t a bad movie and it hit a lot of the beats I expected it to but I left feeling unsatisfied for some reason. It doesn’t help any that the movie ended just when the story got interesting. The lack or closure for the WWII stuff is frustrating and the story would have been better served with a post-credits scene of Steve visiting Peggy in a nursing home than an Avengers teaser.
Still, I can’t wait for Avengers.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on Aug 6, 2011 2:39:17 GMT -5
Just saw Captain America. I think my biggest complaint was that it felt too short. I am wondering how they are gonna explain how Bucky survived as he didn't get the Super Soldier Serum. Maybe they will have Cap get the cosmic cube and wish him back to life (Which was already done in the tv show version of the Avengers.). Overall, 3 out of 5 stars. Wasn't the greatest but it filled its duties and a little bit more. Said duties being a bridge to the upcoming Avengers movie which I want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 2:59:18 GMT -5
Said duties being a bridge to the upcoming Avengers movie which I want to see. I'm not sure If I will be interested in "The Avengers" movie. Not because I don't like The Avengers, but because I've read that Hank Pym or Janet Van Dyne will not be in it. Of course, I was disappointed that the X-Men didn't keep the original five, and made Ice Man a whiny punk instead of making him like they did in the comics. To me he was just a character with Iceman's powers, and name, not Iceman himself. I hated the movie version of Iceman, he sucked. I've always tried to look at the movies as a different universe from the comics, and sometimes it makes the movies watchable when they do crap like that. When you start leaving out characters like that, who have been there since the beginning no less, makes the movie far less interesting. Who doesn't want to see a scene where Giant Man and Hulk go at it in a huge fight over a city, or hot cool would it be to see Hank actually shrinking and going into a robot's head via CGI? Personally I think that would be entertaining, but comic book movies aren't made for comic fans.
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Post by takewithfood on Aug 7, 2011 23:06:50 GMT -5
I think they would make comic books for comic fans if there were enough of us - and that is actually changing for the better, as more and more people in the mainstream get into movies like Thor and Captain America.
The trouble with including Ant Man and Wasp is that it's just too many main characters for one movie. Hulk, Cap, Iron Man and Thor is plenty enough for one film - something like this has never really been done before, so I think its wise not to cram too many heroes in there, at least at first.
The real executive decision seems to have been whether to greenlight the Cap movie or an Ant Man (and Wasp) movie, and they chose Cap instead, wagering that he'd be more popular with audiences. From a financial standpoint, I think it was a good move, as I don't see Ant Man as someone with universal appeal. However, in terms of sticking to the original story, it would make more sense to get an Ant Man and Wasp movie just before Avengers, do Avengers, THEN do a Cap movie and tie him into the second film.
Alas, it's just too much to ask, and I understand. For me, what really stings is that they somehow found a way to work in characters like Black Widow and Hawkeye as tertiary characters, yet there's no love for two founding members. My hope here is that the people at Marvel figure that if they're going to bring in Pym and van Dyne, they're going to do them justice rather than putting them in the background somewhere in some other hero's movie. However, this means that there's a good chance that we'll never see them at all.
My guess is that it all hinges on how successful The Avengers movie turns out to be. If its a smash hit, and audiences still seem interested in the super hero genre, then they may find enough of a budget to cram in two more characters. It's especially likely if these movies cause people to turn to the actual comics, and doubly so if there is a good jumping-on point for new fans (such as a reboot of the Ultimates universe?). If new fans can get into the characters that way, they might be more receptive to them on the big screen, too.
There's a lot of "if" coming off all of that, but hope is hope. I'll take it. Meanwhile, I still expect the Avengers to be pretty sweet. Dynamite cast, and Joss Whedon behind the camera. No power in the verse can stop me from seeing that.
~TWF
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 7, 2011 23:09:45 GMT -5
I like that Marvel Studios is producing the Ultimate Spider-Man TV series, as they might be able to get the less popular characters into television shows to build support rather than investing in a feature film. Plus, who that didn't already know the character would see a trailer for a movie called "Ant Man," coming out around the same time as the new Spider-Man and not think it's a dumb parody?
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