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Post by Ushima911 on May 7, 2011 15:14:36 GMT -5
indeed, but others differ. I learned that way from Andrew's GMing. Which i also prefer
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 15:14:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately the way the book is written it I think that number 3 is correct. It says free force field at full AN. Not at stones spent. I think anything else is interpretation or house rule. The at full AN is the giveaway I think.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on May 7, 2011 15:20:30 GMT -5
The book also contradicts itself. Or the marvel guys got lazy. There is the fact that Sunfire has under his modifiers a mod that gives him a free FF of 14. Which is given to him that way thanks to the free frce field option in his mastery of plasma. But then Thunderbird has the option but you don't see it under his modifiers. So obviously it is 2x something. But is it my way or the way Sunfire has it? Or is it some other way that requires 2xing something?
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 15:24:56 GMT -5
I guess your right. It could mean free force field (as in doubled stones x action number). That is soo hugely overpowered though for +2. It is expensive, especially if you have a high AN to start with... but not that expensive.
I am wiling to concede that it is not clear if it is x2 or not. The fact that they use the word force field, probably leans towards it being x2. But I think it is clear that the base number is the Full AN as it says Full AN.
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2011 15:36:08 GMT -5
Free Defense stones at the AN every time you use the power is hugely overpowered. Forget doubling it.
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 15:39:16 GMT -5
What is your interpretation?
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2011 15:42:48 GMT -5
That its a badly written rule that they put out without playtesting it... which makes it sync up perfectly with the rest of MURPG.
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 15:45:27 GMT -5
Again back to my first question. Do the benefits force fields/barriers get in the core book apply to this free force field. I know everyone has opinions on the viability of the power.
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2011 15:48:25 GMT -5
Again back to my first question. Do the benefits force fields/barriers get in the core book apply to this free force field. I know everyone has opinions on the viability of the power. Oh well I don't think you can argue that the RAW is clear; when you use the Action to which "Free Force Field" is attached, you automatically get the benefits of the Force Field Action at the full Action Number in addition. So yes, doubled stones.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on May 7, 2011 15:50:47 GMT -5
How about we make it a house rule that it is actually +3 to CL and make it that for every stone you place, two are shifted to defense. Actually I can't decide. Should I make it +3 or +4 based on that description? I want to know what you all think because that is the house rule I am gonna use.
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Post by WildKnight on May 7, 2011 15:55:14 GMT -5
How about we make it a house rule that it is actually +3 to CL and make it that for every stone you place, two are shifted to defense. Actually I can't decide. Should I make it +3 or +4 based on that description? I want to know what you all think because that is the house rule I am gonna use. I don't think you'd ever get a mass consensus on something like that. For your games, do what you think is right. Personally, I just don't allow the option at all.
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Post by Dominus on May 7, 2011 17:59:06 GMT -5
How about we make it a house rule that it is actually +3 to CL and make it that for every stone you place, two are shifted to defense. Actually I can't decide. Should I make it +3 or +4 based on that description? I want to know what you all think because that is the house rule I am gonna use. I would say +4. My thinking is that you are getting Force Field which is +3 and you are getting x2 AN free stones to put into it which has to be worth at least +1. I am going to use interpretation #4 and leave it at its +2 cost.
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Post by Dominus on May 7, 2011 18:04:18 GMT -5
Again back to my first question. Do the benefits force fields/barriers get in the core book apply to this free force field. I know everyone has opinions on the viability of the power. As to your original question about the special benefit attached to free force fields I would say that they do not apply. I think the logic here is that this is an almost coincidental force field created as much by the sheer act of wielding ones mastery as as attempt to protect ones self.
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 22:17:03 GMT -5
If I was to 'have my way' I would say the power should be this: -Stones into Barriers/Force Fields are doubled (+2) Done. it is cheaper than a regular forcefield by +1 but most combinations of actions are less cost than the sum of the parts. It is not hugely overpowered... and when you have a master at +7 and a few options this +2 is going to cost a whopping 10 white stones. If I had my way, I would go with dios rule as stated above. But this thread is about the bonuses for force fields listed in the core guide... fire causing damage to those attacking it for example. The book doesnt say either way so I guess that is that..
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Post by Rinjo on May 8, 2011 5:45:29 GMT -5
Again back to my first question. Do the benefits force fields/barriers get in the core book apply to this free force field. I know everyone has opinions on the viability of the power. As to your original question about the special benefit attached to free force fields I would say that they do not apply. I think the logic here is that this is an almost coincidental force field created as much by the sheer act of wielding ones mastery as as attempt to protect ones self. Seeing as this is all about my Magneto character your opinion is really the only one that matters. Thanks for chiming in!
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