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Post by Rinjo on May 6, 2011 19:12:25 GMT -5
Question.
Does the Free Force Field at AN option in the X-Men guide to Masteries follow the rules for forcefields in the core guide?
For example:
Does a fire masters Free Force field do stones of damage to people who pass through it?
Does a Water masters water force field last 10 panels if he is in the water?
Most of the others do not have a special benefit attached, but some do and I was interested to hear opinions.
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Post by Dionon on May 6, 2011 19:40:46 GMT -5
I'd say that they do. Basically you're just creating a better form of the Barrier option. It should be worded differently though, it shouldn't be "Free Force field at AN" it should be "Stones placed in Barrier are Doubled."
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Post by Rinjo on May 6, 2011 19:43:20 GMT -5
No. I am talking about the +2 option in the X-men guide. The one that reads you get a free force field at Full AN when using your mastery.
Did I confuse you or do you think the option in the book is worded poorly?
The one int he book clearly gives you a free force field. It doesn't double what you put in. The 'At Full AN' is the key wording I think.
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Post by Dionon on May 6, 2011 19:49:06 GMT -5
I honestly think the wording in the book is flawed. I think my version is more along the lines of rules as intended.
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Post by Rinjo on May 6, 2011 20:17:21 GMT -5
I am not arguing the rules here. I am asking only one part in particular. Does this force-field get the same barrier bonuses as standard barrier/force-fields created with a mastery. I am not particularly interested in the viability of the rule as written. That is for each Gm to figure out.  |
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Post by Dionon on May 6, 2011 20:27:50 GMT -5
I know, and I answered that part with an affirmative.
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Post by malice on May 6, 2011 21:06:40 GMT -5
No, there's nothing to suggest they do other than our imaginations.
The force field is a force field, not a "barrier" as barriers are defined in Masteries.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on May 6, 2011 21:15:32 GMT -5
In other words, it depends on the gm.
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Post by malice on May 6, 2011 22:18:00 GMT -5
It always depends on the GM, but a lot of GMs also like to know how other people do things to improve their own style. Any rules question is automatically a question for GMs precisely because rules depend on GMs. Since such questions are frequently about RAW interpretations, that's the context in which I answer. If you want to see forcefields with special effects, I've worked on that also. I do not think the original mastery force fields behave so differently from normal force fields. |
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 0:09:51 GMT -5
Dio just for the record I like your house rule better. It makes sense to double only the active defensive stones, rather than the whole caboodle. I know in the end it depends ont eh GM... I just wanted to see people's interpretation.
I think only the mastery of magnetism is described as a forcefield in the original book and it gets 2x free stones automatically.
Thanks for the input. I will check out your link malice.
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Post by Silentking Alpha on May 7, 2011 0:29:27 GMT -5
I would interperet it as for every stone you put into the action, two are automatically sent for free and put into defense. So if I blast a guy with 1 free stone of a fire attack, 2 stones that I did not spend are sent into defense. At least, that is how I believe it to be meant.
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Post by Rinjo on May 7, 2011 0:32:35 GMT -5
It is crazy how different the interpretations are.
I always took it to mean if you had an AN of 8, you got 8 free stones of defense every time you used the power. I never thought it to mean you got 2x free stones for every attack stone.
Sometimes this game can be hard to GM with soo many different possible 'common sense' interpretations.
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Post by Dominus on May 7, 2011 14:45:17 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know why it would mean you got two stones for every one in the power but I have certainly seen it interpreted this way.
I have seen in used the following ways before:
1) 2x AN force field whenever mastery used
2) 2x stones used in mastery up to AN
3) 1x AN force field whenever mastery used
4) 1x stones used in mastery up to AN
5) 1x stones used for force field up to AN in mastery
Personally I think number 4 is the best way to handle it. Any of the other methods seem highly overpowered considering it is only a +1 option.
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Post by Ushima911 on May 7, 2011 14:53:04 GMT -5
its a +2 CL.
Also, for # 4, does that work like:
you have a mastery of fire level 5 with free forcefield. When you use 2 of that 5, you get 2 free defense rather than the whole 5? That's how i like it anyways. Not auto 5 free defense, or double 5 (10) when you use it. Its whatever you use right? However many stones you put into your mastery, thats how much of a free defense you'd get.
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Post by Dominus on May 7, 2011 15:13:17 GMT -5
Yes that is precisely how interpretation number 4 works. To me it also seems the most logical. The character is putting X amount of energy into his power, he should get X amount of free protection. its a +2 CL. Also, for # 4, does that work like: you have a mastery of fire level 5 with free forcefield. When you use 2 of that 5, you get 2 free defense rather than the whole 5? That's how i like it anyways. Not auto 5 free defense, or double 5 (10) when you use it. Its whatever you use right? However many stones you put into your mastery, thats how much of a free defense you'd get. |
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