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Post by shenron on Aug 26, 2011 2:50:57 GMT -5
@ Black Sam: Please don't be turned off on those movies because Cage is in them. Those two movies are just awesome in the general great movies genre. Not just Cage movies, but as far as Cage movies go, they are his best work. As my and WK have warned, 8mm can be a little hard to watch.
@ Silentking: Did not know that about Cage. I am also glad we can agree on Batman.
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Post by WildKnight on Aug 26, 2011 5:33:55 GMT -5
Personally I've lost all ability to give a crap about Batman. I love the character in theory but in practical application, he's become a complete turd. I am beyond sick of hearing Batman fans drone on and on about how he's so awesome because he does it all "without super powers" which is about as good an example of "nonsense" as I've ever heard. Ignoring for a second the super-futuristic gadgets and breadth of knowledge and training that no single man could possibly amass, Batman frequently engages in feats that are unquestionably super human.
Beyond that, the people that write him seem to be beyond clueless. If you want someone to be "the world's greatest detective" it helps if they actually "detect" occasionally, instead of relying on poorly thought out deus ex machinas at every turn.
The only good thing I can say about Batman in recent years is that as long as I've been a reader, there has been no doubt in my mind that Batman is absolutely batsh*t nuts (pun intended). He isn't skirting a line. He isn't teetering near an abyss. He's an absolute 100% verified nutter. And the comics have finally been addressing that over the last decade or so.
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Post by shenron on Aug 27, 2011 2:12:55 GMT -5
I never said that about the Bat. I know in comics he does some Superhero stuff. As for him being batsh*t? I stand corrected. He his mad.
Please give your attention to the quote underneath my avatar..
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Post by takewithfood on Aug 27, 2011 2:43:07 GMT -5
Personally I've lost all ability to give a crap about Batman. I love the character in theory but in practical application, he's become a complete turd. I am beyond sick of hearing Batman fans drone on and on about how he's so awesome because he does it all "without super powers" which is about as good an example of "nonsense" as I've ever heard. Ignoring for a second the super-futuristic gadgets and breadth of knowledge and training that no single man could possibly amass, Batman frequently engages in feats that are unquestionably super human. Beyond that, the people that write him seem to be beyond clueless. If you want someone to be "the world's greatest detective" it helps if they actually "detect" occasionally, instead of relying on poorly thought out deus ex machinas at every turn. The only good thing I can say about Batman in recent years is that as long as I've been a reader, there has been no doubt in my mind that Batman is absolutely batsh*t nuts (pun intended). He isn't skirting a line. He isn't teetering near an abyss. He's an absolute 100% verified nutter. And the comics have finally been addressing that over the last decade or so. I agree pretty much in full, if I get your meaning. I like my Batman street-level (or slightly above), and subtly, but definitively mentally ill. He's wasted on giant space alien invasions and that epic stuff. He's best when he's busting heads and working his way back to the crime boss behind it all. And he has one of the best rogue's galleries, mostly because he's every bit as crazy as they are, just in a way that puts them at odds. That all makes for delicious, thought-provoking storytelling. I also enjoy super campy 60s Batman, but I consider them to be completely different animals. ~TWF
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Post by shenron on Aug 27, 2011 3:22:40 GMT -5
I agree there TWF. That is my favorite style of Batman and I totally forgot about the Adam West style Batman.
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Post by WildKnight on Aug 27, 2011 5:28:35 GMT -5
The problem is that even street level Batman has become corrupted in terms of being just a man. Storylines like No Man's Land, while entertaining to read initially, really got me thinking that Batman pushes the boundaries of the fourth wall far worse than Superman for me.
Here's a guy who is supposed to be "just a man." During the cataclysm that precedes NML, he's running around a plague-ridden city without sleeping for over a week straight. He somehow doesn't contract the plague that nearly everyone else has (including two people he shares the Batcave with), and he somehow swims underwater for several minutes after a week of sleep deprivation, etc. It was just all a bit much.
But honestly, I can pinpoint the exact point at which I started thinking Batman might be a lame character. It was when I bought an old issue of World's Finest out of the 1$ bin at my local comic shop, in which Batman defeats Wonder Woman in a 1-on-1 hand-to-hand fight, which is later "explained" via the fact that Batman "used his judo"
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Post by Black Sam on Aug 27, 2011 5:52:57 GMT -5
Makes sense to me. Judon't know if he's got a knife, judon't know if he's got a gun...or, y'know...a superlaser...
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Post by Kanzu on Aug 27, 2011 13:48:43 GMT -5
I think you misused 4th wall there WK.
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Post by WildKnight on Aug 27, 2011 14:42:53 GMT -5
I think you misused 4th wall there WK. No, I didn't. The 4th Wall is commonly referenced when talking about guys like Deadpool... who light it on fire and dance merrily around it while it burns. BUT. Anything that pushes on your ability to maintain suspension of disbelief is actually a 4th wall violation (or at least a 4th wall stress).
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Post by Brainstem on Aug 29, 2011 3:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by slimgoodbody on Sept 8, 2011 0:27:11 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I am SUPER excited for Ghost Rider. Granted, I wish it was someone other than Cage (although his rocket-sled ascent to schlock insanity is pretty entertaining), but this is the ruthlessly brutal and bizarre Ghost Rider of the Jason Aaron run, which was hands down my favorite.
It's not like Ghost Rider is such a sacrosanct concept that it needs to be taken deadly serious. I love him, but let's not forget that he's a stuntman whose head explodes around jerks, and he then beats said jerks, mercilessly, with tow truck chains. This is the perfect material for the guys who brought us Crank one and two.
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Post by Dhark on Sept 8, 2011 1:03:03 GMT -5
You. Make. My. Eyes. Bleed.
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Post by shenron on Sept 8, 2011 1:49:41 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I am SUPER excited for Ghost Rider. Granted, I wish it was someone other than Cage (although his rocket-sled ascent to schlock insanity is pretty entertaining), but this is the ruthlessly brutal and bizarre Ghost Rider of the Jason Aaron run, which was hands down my favorite. It's not like Ghost Rider is such a sacrosanct concept that it needs to be taken deadly serious. I love him, but let's not forget that he's a stuntman whose head explodes around jerks, and he then beats said jerks, mercilessly, with tow truck chains. This is the perfect material for the guys who brought us Crank one and two. Yep, I am excited for it too. My local theater already has a poster up. It is pretty neat...
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Post by WildKnight on Sept 8, 2011 6:23:35 GMT -5
It's not like Ghost Rider is such a sacrosanct concept that it needs to be taken deadly serious. I love him, but let's not forget that he's a stuntman whose head explodes around jerks, and he then beats said jerks, mercilessly, with tow truck chains. This is the perfect material for the guys who brought us Crank one and two. The problem with that assessment is that there is a huge difference between genre conceits like Ghost Rider doing "super hero stuff" (which is silly everywhere but in super hero world) and Ghost Rider being made to appear silly for the sake of cheap laughs. I don't think Ghost Rider is "sacrosanct" by any means. I just don't think comedy is a genre that mixes well with the Ghost Rider story. Johnny Blaze should not be the comedic relief to Ghost Rider's intensity. Johnny Blaze is a tortured soul. That's where the real meat of the story is.
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Post by Puck on Sept 8, 2011 8:26:10 GMT -5
It's not like Ghost Rider is such a sacrosanct concept that it needs to be taken deadly serious. I love him, but let's not forget that he's a stuntman whose head explodes around jerks, and he then beats said jerks, mercilessly, with tow truck chains. This is the perfect material for the guys who brought us Crank one and two. The problem with that assessment is that there is a huge difference between genre conceits like Ghost Rider doing "super hero stuff" (which is silly everywhere but in super hero world) and Ghost Rider being made to appear silly for the sake of cheap laughs. I don't think Ghost Rider is "sacrosanct" by any means. I just don't think comedy is a genre that mixes well with the Ghost Rider story. Johnny Blaze should not be the comedic relief to Ghost Rider's intensity. Johnny Blaze is a tortured soul. That's where the real meat of the story is. Ano...Ghost rider should be like Batman, (The Dark Knight), not Batman (Batman and Robin). But which one do you portray, which has more right or does creative license come into play here?
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