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Post by WildKnight on Apr 17, 2014 13:30:47 GMT -5
Heroes die, but they never seem to stay dead. It's just a fact of life. It's been this way for so long that nobody even really takes a heroes death seriously anymore. That doesn't mean that the world can just sit around and wait for them to come back, though. Things move on, and that's where you came in. Perhaps you were a sidekick or lesser teammate. Perhaps you were a clone, or the OTHER last survivor of your species. Perhaps you were just an ordinary schmoe caught up in the madness after a big time hero dropped. No matter how it happened, you were a replacement hero. You wore (a version of) the uniform, you used the name, you wielded the equipment or mimicked the powers. However briefly, you were a big deal. You were never as well loved as the original (if anyone even knew you weren't...), but you did your best, and you're proud of that.
But heroes always come back. Magical amulets, alternate dimensions, time travel... by whatever means, they always return to reclaim their title. And where did that leave you? It left you to forge a new identity while trying to step out of the shadow of who you used to be, but still somehow never really were. It's not easy being a second (or third) rate replacement, especially when you have to see the original doing their thing again. So what do you do? Normal people join support groups. You joined a group of fellow heroes who have experienced the exact same thing as you all try to cope with your past and forge new identities for yourselves. You are... The In-Betweeners.
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Not so much a pitch (yet) as just an idea that I'm fleshing out. The game would be a dramatic one, focused as much on the private lives of the would-be heroes as on their costumed activities. The team would be made up of people who, for whatever reason, temporarily filled in for a much greater hero, and now have to find ways to be their own person.
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Post by Gris on Apr 17, 2014 14:05:46 GMT -5
Whoa. That's an amazing idea, quite the play on the issue of the identity and the cyclic nature of the hero, but focused from the most human side. Very interesting, indeed.
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Post by Mephistel on Apr 17, 2014 14:25:53 GMT -5
I really like the idea! It's original! Tough it does sound a bit bitter, it does make it for a good drama! I'm interrested!
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Post by dorkknight23 on Apr 17, 2014 14:37:48 GMT -5
This sounds cool, I'll be watching this and thinking up a concept.
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 17, 2014 15:19:54 GMT -5
Tough it does sound a bit bitter, That's the idea exactly. Every single PC doesn't have to be somebody bitterly clinging to their 15 minutes, but that's certainly the thrust of the concept. The team would probably benefit form one or two "lighter" characters who are fine with how things went down and just want to keep having fun, making a difference, etc. I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I want to run it in the Marvel U but DC is actually the setting where heroic "death" is more common and returns more rapid (at least in my perception), so the DCU seems a bit more fitting. |
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Post by Mephistel on Apr 17, 2014 15:21:48 GMT -5
I wonder what or wich kind of hero my character would have took after...
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Post by Gris on Apr 18, 2014 2:35:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I want to run it in the Marvel U but DC is actually the setting where heroic "death" is more common and returns more rapid (at least in my perception), so the DCU seems a bit more fitting. Well, to be honest the first thing I thought about that when I read the first post was something along the lines of: "Well, DCU or Original Universe?" As I see it, the whole Death/Legacy/Resurrection cycle is way stronger in the DCU than in Marvel. I mean, lets see how many cases I can remember on top of my head: Marvel Universe: Jim Rhodes as Iron Man (not a Death scenario, got his own War Machine armor later. Does this count as a sidekick? I'm guessing so.) Danny Rand as Daredevil (then again, not a Death scenario. He had his own identity both before and after, it was more a doing a favor thing.) Bucky Barnes as Captain America (Death scenario, a classical one even. Sidekick gets promoted into Main identity to be dropped off after a weird resurrection) There have to be more, I'm sure, but I can't remember any. DCU: Every Flash that isn't Barry Allen (classical Death and return scenario, even if enormously delayed) and every Green Lantern from Earth that isn't Hal Jordan (even if they are the Green Lantern Corps, the feel is always the one of being up to Hal, in one way or the other) already make for more cases than the ones listed in the Marvel area. The whole death of Batman scenario was also a classical one, with its own weird resurrection and all. Superman's death is a bit weirder, with its own collection of pretenders. In general terms, the DCU has sidekicks as something normal and usual, and powers that can be usually mirrored (You can be another Amazon, another Kryptonian, another millionaire with training, another dude with a bow, another speedster connected to the speedforce, another member of a galactic corps...) while on Marvel you have freak accidents normally hard to match or reproduce and Mutants, who, by definition, are born different and unique. That and the fact that Marvel doesn't really work the sidekick tradition, even when they play that card is for subversion (the Young Avengers never work with their counterparts, always against or without) and they never made (as far as I know) a real thing with Wolverine and his amazing teen girl sidekicks, besides joking about it. Maybe this could be useful: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comic_book_sidekicks |
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 18, 2014 16:54:01 GMT -5
I agree with your assessment. That being said... since I like to avoid "original universes", I think I'll do this in the DCU. You can feel free to invent a death/absence for your character, it needn't be canonical. In fact our 'canon" will be pretty loose anyway, based on sort of the general "status quo" of the Post-Crisis, Pre-Nu52 DCU
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Post by Gris on Apr 19, 2014 4:26:16 GMT -5
I agree with your assessment. That being said... since I like to avoid "original universes", I think I'll do this in the DCU. You can feel free to invent a death/absence for your character, it needn't be canonical. In fact our 'canon" will be pretty loose anyway, based on sort of the general "status quo" of the Post-Crisis, Pre-Nu52 DCU That's probably the smartest idea considering how convoluted the DCU continuity can be. As soon as you feel ready and turn this into an official recruit thread, I'll work on something, I've several raw ideas floating around. |
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Post by Dionon on Apr 19, 2014 12:53:57 GMT -5
I'm in! Is there a stone count?
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Post by Mephistel on Apr 19, 2014 14:13:46 GMT -5
I think I'd play a clone, the idea is fun and I always wanted to get in the mind of one, tough I have to find the clone of who, any suggestions?
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Post by takewithfood on Apr 19, 2014 19:34:56 GMT -5
I wish I had the time, but I don't. However, I just had to post to say that that's an awesome game concept and I hate you for thinking of it before I did.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Apr 19, 2014 20:15:52 GMT -5
I wish I had the time, but I don't. However, I just had to post to say that that's an awesome game concept and I hate you for thinking of it before I did. ~TWF I've actually been sitting on this idea for a long time. 8) |
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Post by Goats on Apr 21, 2014 21:10:19 GMT -5
I like this idea a lot
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Post by Gris on Apr 22, 2014 8:33:41 GMT -5
Having two completely different characters that replaced the same hero in different moments in time could be also quite interesting. For example: A "Batman" who dedicated himself to violently tear down the crime taking the fight to every goon and a "Batman" who used his detective skills to solve and thwart big evil complicated plans.
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