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Post by Black Sam on Dec 11, 2020 15:33:05 GMT -5
Loki looked amazing, but I have no idea what was going on.
I'm not familiar with the Hawkeye arc they're drawing on, but I like him so I'll watch it.
Falcon and Winter Soldier (why not go by Nomad??) looks fun, and the Baron Zemo actor is potentially fantastic.
The new Wandavision trailer has me excited for it. Looks like they're going all-in.
What-if is wasn't originally excited about, but it looks like it could be cool.
Ms. Marvel is a character I don't really know or care much about, but the promo-trailer makes her look interesting. I'm definitely interested now.
And how about all that Star Wars???
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Post by Gris on Dec 12, 2020 5:04:05 GMT -5
Loki looked amazing, but I have no idea what was going on. I'm not familiar with the Hawkeye arc they're drawing on, but I like him so I'll watch it. Falcon and Winter Soldier (why not go by Nomad??) looks fun, and the Baron Zemo actor is potentially fantastic. The new Wandavision trailer has me excited for it. Looks like they're going all-in. What-if is wasn't originally excited about, but it looks like it could be cool. Ms. Marvel is a character I don't really know or care much about, but the promo-trailer makes her look interesting. I'm definitely interested now. And how about all that Star Wars??? I'm no Doctor Who fan but maybe there is some similar shenanigans on Loki? Either time traveling or dimension hopping. Or both. It does look weird yet awesome.
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Post by takewithfood on Dec 13, 2020 0:50:09 GMT -5
Loki as BD Cooper is genius. I love it. The rest of the trailer looks gorgeous, and I like Owen Wilson. I was lukewarm about the series at first, but now I'm pretty excited for it.
The Falcon and Winter Soldier trailer left me strangely cold. I liked the antagonistic chemistry the two characters had in Civil War, but I'm not sure it works as well if they're starting to actually get along. Hopefully it works out.
Been psyched about WandaVision since day 1.
Was never a fan of What If? comics, but I'll give it a go.
I love Kate Bishop and my favourite comics are low-powered, street-level stuff like the Matt Fraction run. Hope they do it justice. I like the MCU Hawkeye more than most people, so I'm 100% on board.
I'm expecting Ms. Marvel to be aimed at a younger audience. Also, speaking as a Social Justice Barbarian, I have found basically all of Marvel's attempts at pop feminism cringe-worthy at best, and counter-productive at worst (other Disney projects like Star Wars haven't done any better, either) and I have serious concerns that they'll follow the same trajectory here. I like the character, but I'm very wary.
I'm meh about Riri Williams as a character, but I preferred the Iron Man 1/2 era suits to the bleeding edge nano stuff we saw closer to Endgame. It's fine that Tony had them - they followed a pretty natural progression throughout all his films - but they just aren't as much fun as the clunkier suits. If the Ironheart series brings back some of that action, I'm all for it. I'm guessing it will lead in to the Armor Wars series. I'm not familiar with the comic book arc, but I like Don Cheadle, so sure.
Speaking of actors I like, I lowkey love Oscar Isaac and I'm very curious to see what they pull off with Moon Knight. He was good as Poe, absolutely perfect in Ex Machina, and I don't like to talk about Apocalypse. A lot is going to come down to the rest of the production, but the ceiling is very high.
I haven't seen Tatiana Maslany in anything, but everyone I know who has ADORES her. I also love Tim Roth, so pumped to hear he's coming back for She Hulk. Naturally I have some of the same faux-feminism fears here, though. Fuckin' figure it out, Disney, it's not hard.
The decision to make Secret Invasion a tv series is interesting. I always thought they'd do it as an Avengers movie, but I can see how they could stretch it out for a small run. Sure, I guess.
I forget if I missed anything.
Basically, I'm kind of impressed with what they're putting together. It seems like a little too much - or maybe a lot too much - and I'm worried about what this says about the fate of movie theaters, but at least for now it's pretty exciting. I think we'll all have a better idea of what's in store when we finally get a look at WandaVision.
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Post by Gris on Dec 13, 2020 5:38:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that's more or less the feel I'm getting. It ranges from "Oh, this looks amazing" to "Oh, I hope they don't mess up this one" depending on the series. There isn't any budget shortages showing up so far, so maybe all this (specially the weird interconnected things they seem to be doing with Loki) will be what Agents of Shield was always meant to be.
Oscar Isaac was confirmed as Moon Knight? Thought it was just a rumor. I hope it's true, I do love him in everything I have seen act so far (ex machina, most violent year, show me a hero, llewyn davis... well, not in X-Men Apocalypse, that one hardly counts xD)
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Post by takewithfood on Dec 13, 2020 13:32:52 GMT -5
Oh you're right about Oscar Isaac, thank you. Sounds like he's only been in talks, nothing in ink yet. Another thing I forgot to mention is that I'm very curious to see how they handle the episode format for these shows. One of the few details that held back most of the Marvel/Netflix shows (Daredevil and spinoffs) was a strict adherence to the 13-episode "season" format. It was just the right size for Daredevil season 1, and I'd argue pretty close for Jessica Jones season 1, but everything else kinda lagged. You could easily cut 2 or 3 episodes out of most of them, and maybe as many as 5 or 6 off the first season of Luke Cage.
From what I can tell, WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and the Loki show will all be 6 episodes. Maybe it's hard to get it wrong with such a short run, but I find it hard to believe that ALL of these stories are best served in exactly six portions. Are they going to follow this format for all 50 bajillion shows?
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Post by Gris on Dec 13, 2020 15:01:52 GMT -5
Flexibility should be the way to go on format, both in number of episodes and in run time of each episode. A framework is nice, but if it's too strict the product can suffer for it. As far as I know the only one that scapes the limitation is What If with 10 eps, so animation seems to get a different structure, maybe due to the episodic self contained nature as well. Of course, things could change along the way, but the first ones are going to be 6 all of them, so that's quite weird.
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Post by takewithfood on Dec 13, 2020 15:06:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree about runtime. I remember Joss Whedon talking about the making of Dr. Horrible during the writer's strike, and how he felt so free to make it exactly as long as he wanted to, down to the second.
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Post by mcr on Jan 15, 2021 18:50:44 GMT -5
Just finished the first two episodes of WandaVision. Bettany is doing some mighty heavy lifting, but you can see what they're building up to with Wanda, and I'm sure Olsen will get some A Grade stuff to work with as the mystery develops. Very excited.
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Post by Gris on Jan 16, 2021 5:30:43 GMT -5
Yeah, very nice, it's not only good but also a serious effort on showing how far can you go with superheroes without sticking to it like it was a genre. It probably will get more... superhero-y as the time goes, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by takewithfood on Jan 18, 2021 1:45:38 GMT -5
I really like it too, though it's hard to judge without knowing more about what's really going on in the metaplot.
I think both leads are doing very well, and have good chemistry, but what I'm enjoying most is the tribute to old-timey TV. The humour is a little too camp, and a few details would have been a little too risqué for the black and white era, but otherwise they nailed it. It's fitting for the MCU's first official entry into televison (Agents of SHIELD never properly crossed-over, sadly).
I find myself looking forward to the next episode.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 6, 2021 12:03:08 GMT -5
Oh my god the end of episode 5.
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Post by mcr on Feb 6, 2021 13:16:52 GMT -5
Oh my god the end of episode 5. Trying to keep this spoiler free: I've been reading theories suggesting that what we saw shouldn't necessarily be taken for face value. Plus, news that it was happening was leaked, I want to say, several months ago. Even a few days before the episode aired, Olsen said something would happen that would rival the ending of Mandalorian (her statement didn't specifically leak what thing would happen, unlike the prior leaks which did specifically leak that we would see what we saw). Plus purely from a structural format there's still four more episodes left. So I think there will be even bigger "OMG" moments to come. I feel like to make the biggest impact the series and the individual episodes needed to be much longer. It seems like the writers assume that viewers are intimately familiar with all of the movies *and* their production history, and there are often lines that seem like throw-away lines nodding to the history of the films that I would feel would be much better served by actually showing what happened, or at least have the characters react to those moments beyond just spitting out the line. There was one line in Episode 4 where one of the characters casually mentions what happened in one of the movies, no one brings it up again, and everyone just immediately remembers, "oh yeah, that happened!", without worrying about it. And I was just thinking "Why not just show that scene? It's like 2 minutes long at most?" I've been watching with someone who is not a diehard fan of comics or the movies (they don't hate them, but they don't really follow them or know all of the little nods to canon), and they're often confused by what is happening in a way I feel like most of us on this board would not be. Like, if you weren't a fan of all of the movies, would the end of 5 have ANY meaning to you? This was the same criticism I had for Mando - that one scene would have zero meaning to someone who had never seen Star Wars. In a movie, you can't really loop the entire audience into the entire franchise and you sort of have to assume people are familiar with prior entries for a new sequel, but they literally had a "previously on WandaVision" segment at the beginning of this episode. Why not do some more of that? *Shrug*. But that's not to detract from the series as a whole. Wanda remains one of my favorite Marvel characters, Olsen is knocking it out of the park, Bettany has been stealing the show, and the threads they seem to be tying in from comics lore are some of my favorite. I'm hoping they can really utilize Olsen in ways I think they've only just begun to scratch the surface of, so hopefully with this latest entry they can really showcase the depth of Wanda's emotions and reactions to what is going on.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 6, 2021 16:42:13 GMT -5
Big agree. I think the dialogue in episodes 4 and parts of 5 were pretty clunky - both in terms of writing, and directing/delivery.
However, I suspect they actually DO want to confuse the audience a little with all these references. They probably want viewers who know a little, but not everything about the MCU, to go back and watch the movies they've missed or forgotten to catch up - all on Disney+, btw. As long as the series is popular and being talked-about - and it is - then a lot of viewers will feel a mix of curiosity and pressure to stay caught-up, and thus continue their subscriptions.
But yeah, also it's just bad writing. lol
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Post by Gris on Feb 7, 2021 5:23:53 GMT -5
I'm trying to not watch the series for what it could be, what it could mean or imply for the future of the MCU and just enjoy it in an episode by episode basis. It's hard, and not always works because I'm a fan, and yeah, fans tend to theorize. With the current movie schedule in shambles, without knowing not only how and when we'll be able to watch the upcoming connected movies, but also remembering that Black Widow is still in limbo, I'm trying to keep myself contained.
But yeah, despite all rational, despite trying to be cool, despite the flaws here and there... It's amazing and I couldn't help but clap.
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Post by takewithfood on Feb 8, 2021 13:42:09 GMT -5
New trailer for Falcon & The Winter Soldier. Looks good, though after the head trip that Wandavision has been, it looks kinda plain. lol
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