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Post by Jet on Sept 23, 2010 3:33:24 GMT -5
Not bad, but am I the only one who gets the feeling that it should be called "Iron Man's Awesome Adventures, co-starring Avengers" ?
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Post by Presto on Sept 23, 2010 10:45:26 GMT -5
Heh, maybe some episodes they focus on individual heroes to give them their own chance to shine. I know Marvel showed clips of Thor and Captain America, where Thor fought Loki... and Captain America brawled with Zemo.
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Post by takewithfood on Sept 28, 2010 23:25:47 GMT -5
Hmm. It feels.. incomplete.
I thought Tony's voice actor was pretty good, even if he was trying to imitate Robert Downey Jr. The problem is that the animators made essentially ZERO effort to convey any kind of expression to match the voice acting, which makes the subtlety of the voice acting fall flat. It's like trying to read tone in a text-based conversation.. it's mostly assumption.
The rest of the voice acting was also pretty bad. Pepper's line "Because Hydra just attacked the United Nations" could not have fallen any flatter if it was a picture of a pancake drawn on rice paper (now that's flat!). Again, no expression. The animation director actually zoomed in on a face with no expression. It gave me Last Airbender flashbacks.
Also, while I'm nitpicking, he walked to his suit. Casually. Why? Did he do it to look cool? Nobody but the audience was looking (though movie Tony Stark is enough of a narcissist that I would believe it if he was trying to look cool for himself). Still, the friggin' UN is under attack.. it's like the G-Infinity. If you can't spare a little hustle for that, what DOES make you run?
What's encouraging was that the script was okay (on top of at least one good voice performance). Good voice acting and a good script can overcome wonky animation - Spectacular Spider-Man taught me that. (I know, I'm a broken record, but I really did like that show.) But even Spectacular had expression and body language.. and better directing. Hmm.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Sept 29, 2010 6:37:10 GMT -5
Maybe Tony is like me. Maybe he's a little torn about whether he wants to save the U.N.
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Post by browwiw on Oct 22, 2010 0:52:19 GMT -5
The show premiered a couple days ago and I just now got to watch the first episode and all the minis collected into movie format. I have to say I am super impressed. The re-imagining of the Marvel universe for the show was actually pretty inspired. I found myself nodding several times and thinking "damn, that's clever. If this were a campaign on the board I'd definitely play in it." The writing is pretty much comic-book simple, but the story telling and direction really punched it up. Dialogue is 'kid-accessible' (they can get the gist of what's going on easy enough, but without being cutesy and with enough subtly to get make an adult smirk. The voice acting is also pretty good and appropriate per character. The animation is a little plain and a little too far along the stylized spectrum for me, but I learned to accept it after a few minutes. Again, good direction made up for that. I noticed that the animation got a lot more detailed in fights and other story important scenes. That may be a conscious decision on their part.
As far as nerd stuff? Oh, man, the creators of this show really know and respect the source material. They were tossing around C-list baddies left and right and actually using them to good effect. The Grim Reaper vs. Nick Fury was pretty badass. The Captain America storyline was pretty good. I find it interesting that they completely replaced Hitler and the Third Reich with Hydra and Zemo. It was very well executed, IMHO. Bucky kind of came across as a budding young sociopath and I liked it.
What really sold me on this show is how they treated the thuggish, C-list villains. Most of time, cartoons adaptations show these kinds of villains as border line retards with little motivation. Here, they are portrayed as egotistical sociopaths that just like to take what they want. It made them more believable and it surprised me.
Anyway, I like it.
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 22, 2010 6:41:37 GMT -5
Personally I disapprove of getting rid of Hitler. I'm sick of people white washing history in order to avoid explaining things to our kids (or in this case, more likely, to fullfill some moral relativistic claim that it was wrong to have comic book characters fighting Hitler and the Nazis)
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 22, 2010 6:59:29 GMT -5
Holy crap! They totally ripped off 313's Nick Fury (except for the lame little soul patch. My Nick has better fashion sense than that)
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Post by Jet on Oct 22, 2010 7:54:40 GMT -5
Speaking of Hitler- I love the way they portrayed it in Justice League. Sure, he didnt appear untill the very end of the two parter, but when he finally appeared and didnt even do anything- THAT was awesome.
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 22, 2010 8:13:15 GMT -5
Speaking of Hitler- I love the way they portrayed it in Justice League. Sure, he didnt appear untill the very end of the two parter, but when he finally appeared and didnt even do anything- THAT was awesome. What'd you expect him to do against a bunch of super heroes? Hop into his Castle Wolfenstein robot?
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Post by Jet on Oct 22, 2010 9:43:03 GMT -5
No, but now that you mention it, It would've been awesome!
Sigh, good times.
I was referring to the fact that in JL he managed to be in an episode for less then 5 seconds, not do a single thing, and yet be extremely memorable and threatening.
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Post by Presto on Oct 23, 2010 16:08:53 GMT -5
Shows alot of promise anyway, more so that i've gotten a chance to see more of it (Havent been watching the mini clips till now XD). Best thing i've enjoyed so far was The Hulk.
Ever since reading the essentials, I wished they did more of a 'talky' hulk and less of a 'me smash' hulk. And now I get to see the results of that... More closer to an Id driven individual, than just a brainless pseudo-human monster. Maybe a bit closer to Edward Hyde and away from Frankensteins Monster?
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Post by Jet on Oct 24, 2010 4:46:19 GMT -5
I liked the pilot and minis, but I had only one complaint- second episode was a one, big fight scene. I love fight scenes and this one was damn epic, but waaaay too long, halfway through the episode I was almost screaming "EEEEEEEND!". And then it did and I was satisfied, so Its all great
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 24, 2010 11:03:36 GMT -5
LOL oddly I had a similar feeling about the second episode. I think maybe(?) it would help to watch them as one continuous episode and consider the second half the massive grand finale' fight?
Was the crazy SHIELD scientist guy a real Marvel villain? I didn't recognize him.
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Post by Jet on Oct 24, 2010 12:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 24, 2010 13:43:28 GMT -5
Was he ever referred to as "Graviton" on the show? Because I've heard of the villain of that name (obviously I'm not extremely familiar, or I would have recognized the civilian name & backstory).
I wonder if Marvel was aware they were ripping themselves off when they revealed that Magneto is not a master of magnetism, but of the Four Forces (which is essentially what Graviton is as well)
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