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Post by Beacon on Jun 4, 2012 21:48:27 GMT -5
So we’ve now seen all but one of the real YJ (barring later additions like Empress and Slobo). I figure it’s kind of unlikely we’ll get Arrowette since we have Artemis and Secret seemed to be a one-shot appearance but I’d love to see Tim, Superboy, Impulse, Wonder Girl, and Red Tornado go off on a mission together. Sure it’s unlikely that the censors would let them fight the Mighty Endowed but I’m sure the writers could find some way to pay tribute to the comic the show took its name from.
(Personally I’d like them to adapt Sins of Youth but it might come off as being too much like that episode of Justice League where the heroes become kids)
PS: Why do current DC writers insist on trying to make Bart Allen dark? This would have been the perfect opportunity to bring in the Legion but instead we get Impulse trying (and failing) to prevent an apocalypse in the near future.
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Post by Kenshin Isawa on Jun 8, 2012 6:52:42 GMT -5
I want Raven and Beast Boy to meet up that would be interesting.
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Post by shazam on Jun 9, 2012 21:19:18 GMT -5
Oh...how did I not see this coming, it was so...typical, well at least my Flash questions have been answered.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 10, 2012 8:52:34 GMT -5
Wowsers. That sure was a thing.
~TWF
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Post by Beacon on Jun 10, 2012 16:59:41 GMT -5
Considering what little we know about the originally intended ending (the betrayal and death) for season one, I’m wondering if we aren’t seeing it now in season two.
I could totally see the network being a little worried if the first season ended with one member of the team killing another but the fans weren’t told what really happened until the following season.
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Post by Hypester on Jun 17, 2012 19:30:48 GMT -5
Okay... so... since there are skeptics, do you guys mind if I take the complete opposite tack and gush on this show a bit?
First off... the first season was glorious. The entire premise, taking a team of sidekicks and giving them a plausible reason to exist was great. Also, they fixed the problem of Robin being a million times more effective than everyone else by putting him at the beginning of puberty, not only making it implausible for him to Batman-solve everything, but giving him an emotional tack other than being a well-trained crimefighter. Of course, in the end, only Aqualad was as effective as Robin, everyone else was totally hit or miss because they're kids... as it should be. Not only that, but the way they missed and messed up and melted down was totally story driven and story driving as opposed to just meaningless melodrama. A couple of my friends are really down on the show because the kids make natural decisions instead of smart ones - they don't really care that those decisions are what drive the story and make the show better than EMH (my opinion) or Teen Titans (Go), which are aimed at slightly younger audiences.
I think the only real mistake they made was tarnishing Superman's ability to care for people, like he was just too put off to talk to Conner for like 6 months. That's childish. With Batman trying to 'talk some sense' into him. Ugh. That was really deplorable, and the one big misstep. Everything else is basically "Yeah, it's Earth-17," but Superman being there for people should trascend that. Did Batman lose his ability to be the smartest guy in the room? Well Superman shouldn't lose his ability to be the nicest, then. If anything, a tack where Superman is annoying and oppressive to a young angry teenager would have been better.
But beyond that, awesome, and while some can't get down with telling new stories with old characters, I loved every second of it. The twist at the end of the season was solid.
So then the second season comes on and throws all that out the window, and I'm like - whoa, what? And now I have questions, and I, personally, was hooked. They way they used the revelation about the window to link it up with five years earlier fluidly was brilliant. And I think that's why I like the show, the way they connect things together is very smart writing. Not just anyone can do it, and you can tell they spent time on it.
I wouldn't have expanded the roster for instance, I would've gone deeper into the characters' supporting casts and such... but they built the show wider, with more heroes to meet, and with the five year gap, now we want to re-meet all the S1 heroes.
Robin - Nightwing sounds funny with a little boy voice, but it works. He's now in full transcendent Bat-mode, as expected, and generally, plays the same kind of mentor role that Batman does, without being a jerk. He's an anchor now, but they've removed him from being the uber-problem solver by giving him responsibility for all these people. Also, he's clearly had two or three major growth spurts in five years, cuz he looks like a completely grown man now.
Kid Flash - Retired from heroing with Artemis. Love it. You just know he's going to come back, but what tragedy will draw him back in the game? This one's a bit easy to read, it's just a matter of how and when they're going to do it. They should have drawn him taller after five years, a bit different of a face.
Superboy - I forgot about his stunted growth storyline. It's an interesting twist, and a way to keep the same art and make it look like the same show. He's grown in power, but there's not a whole lot to do with him beyond angst over M'gaan being evil.
Hello Megan! - First of all... the way they addressed her backstory and Hello Megan and Beast Boy was nothing short of brilliant. That kind of synergy just doesn't happen by accident. Utterly brilliant. Making her dark telepath girl is... interesting. Bound to lead to some good conflict.
Artemis - Well, after they addressed her family issues, there's really not a lot to go with here. Now she's undercover, she'll be snarky, but she's there now pretty much because we like her. It would have been great to see that as the cliffhanger, but I'm kinda glad I don't have to have a 'why does the black guy always have to be evil!' event. Speaking of.
Aqualad - Wow. Didn't see that coming. The problem with Aqualad is he doesn't have much going on internally. He's just a good kid, a bit serious for his own good, but not too serious to cause problems for anyone else. So they gave him another prominent place in the story, so now he can come out with some guilt complex, which is cool enough, I guess.
Roy Harper Angsty Clone - Now... let's be honest, Our Roy has lost it. A bit like Cyclops has in the comics... it doesn't really make sense for him to go all dead inside, but, if he had, what they've done makes a lot of sense. I do feel like Cheshire was rushed, we didn't get a clear idea that these two would get together and make a kid (or that Cheshire could lay out 20 ninjas with one arm while holding said baby), but I love how they did his addiction storyline without actually having to say crack. I thought that was clever. His storyline is one of the ones I'm most interested in... what happens when the original Roy wakes up?
Rocket - I love Rocket, but unfortunately she didn't get enough screen time for me to really care about what she got up to in the break. I'm sure she got up to something.
The New Kids - I like the way they've worked them in alongside experienced heroes. I like the way they gave them all distinct personalities and motivations all in a *snap* that long bit of screen time. I'm not particularly interested in any given one of them, they're all just 'cool.' It's how they serve the story I'm interested in. There's enough team members now to serve as some serious cannon fodder in a very gripping story. Can't wait to see how it plays out.
Also, I would absolutely love, love LOVE a Sins of Youth episode. My favorite YJ story, easily.
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Post by Beacon on Jun 18, 2012 14:26:31 GMT -5
I had some major problems with the early episodes of this season but episode seven did a lot to redeem it. They still have too many characters but at least they’ve shifted the focus back to the originals.
(Though Superboy really needs to tell Nightwing about Miss Martian’s power abuse before she puts Aqualad or Artemis in a coma)
Now if I could only find episode eight online.
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Post by takewithfood on Jun 18, 2012 14:33:00 GMT -5
Episode eight hasn't aired; they're on hiatus, and I have no idea for how long.
I'm glad to see more involvement from the original cast, but now I kinda feel like we wasted time on the new characters, as they're not really involved in the main plot.
EDIT: And I'm not sure that Superboy really can tell Nightwing. Megan used her powers in front of Nightwing and her uncle and clearly lobotomized a Krolotean, and neither of them reacted with any surprise or suspicion. I suspect that she's been using her powers on the team to keep them from being suspicious of her, in the same way that she confessed to having used her powers to keep Superboy from being mad at her - only he was able to recognize what she was doing because of their close bond.
~TWF
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Post by Beacon on Jun 18, 2012 15:08:54 GMT -5
Episode eight hasn't aired; they're on hiatus, and I have no idea for how long. Ah, Youtube is full of links to shady looking websites but I couldn’t find any actual videos. Now I know why. Well I think its likely that – given their solo episodes – Impulse and Blue Beetle will figure into the overall arc. Beast Boy could potentially figure into the Miss Martian mini-arc since she seems to genuinely care about him but Lagoon Boy seems to just be the rebound guy. Herald, Bumblebee, Batgirl, Tim, and Wonder Girl mostly just seem to be wallpaper at this point. Fair point. It does seem like a valid continuation to Martian Manhunter’s concerns in the first season. Of course, after what Savage did to the JLA last season, you’d think they’d take more precautions. Granted, Miss Martian might BE the team’s protection against mind control.
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Post by Beacon on Sept 30, 2012 23:07:35 GMT -5
I can’t decide who the bigger idiot is; original recipe Roy Harper going after Lex with one arm right after being out of commission for eight years or Captain Cold going after a bridal shower (who's the groom?) consisting entirely of superheroines.
I enjoyed seeing Sportsmaster and Cheshire vowing vengeance for Artemis’ “death”.
PS: Loved the Conner/Wendy birthday exchange (“How old are you today?” “Six”)
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Post by takewithfood on Oct 1, 2012 16:28:10 GMT -5
Ack, spoilers; I didn't even know they were back from hiatus. lol I'll have to catch it.
~TWF
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Post by Beacon on Oct 1, 2012 22:41:52 GMT -5
Honestly there wasn’t much to spoil. We got a little more information about the YJ world (like the upcoming wedding and the identities of some fallen heroes) but mostly it felt like they were recapping old plot points (the Invasion, Impulse, Artemis, Miss Martian, ect). The only storyline that really moved forward is the one with the Arrow family guys (and I am NOT happy about that one).
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Post by Beacon on Oct 6, 2012 19:08:55 GMT -5
Anyone have the alien translation from episode 209 (the new episode)? CN’s refusal to make the show accessible forces me to watch a flipped version on YouTube and I can’t read backwards.
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Post by takewithfood on Oct 7, 2012 1:03:54 GMT -5
Hah, no, I don't, sorry. Not yet, anyway; I may be able to get back to you soon. When I watch the clips on YouTube I often have to pause it, which is pretty annoying.
~TWF
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Post by WildKnight on Oct 18, 2012 13:34:11 GMT -5
I can't say exactly why, but I'm finding the show a lot more enjoyable now than initially. It could simply be the Nightwing factor.
Have they said who the dead Robin is? I'm guessing that we're expected to believe that Jason Todd died in the 5 year period, and Batman started training Tim Drake, since he's been on the show... or did I miss something and Tim Drake is dead?
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