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Post by WildKnight on Mar 18, 2013 21:23:18 GMT -5
Er... Vandal Savage has always been on equal footing with Darkseid. He's a major threat in the DCU, and has come close to defeating the entire Justice League just as many times as old craggy face.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Mar 18, 2013 21:26:31 GMT -5
Bull... If immortal old villains like Ra's A Gaul, or Vandal Savage couldn't conquer the world BEFORE there were thousands of superheroes running around, what makes them think they can possibly succeed now.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 18, 2013 21:28:41 GMT -5
Bull... If immortal old villains like Ra's A Gaul, or Vandal Savage couldn't conquer the world BEFORE there were thousands of superheroes running around, what makes them think they can possibly succeed now. Planning. Resources. Foresight. Same reason Batman can take down the entire Justice League but he can't wipe out petty drug dealers in Gotham. Be in denial all you want. Read Savage's bio. He's come just as close to total victory as Darkseid.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Mar 18, 2013 21:38:52 GMT -5
What annoys me is that Greg had to end on a cliffhanger.
I mean you'd think he would be seeing these cancelations a mile away by now.
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Post by Cernunnos on Mar 19, 2013 18:05:28 GMT -5
I’m kind of happy this DIDN’T get renewed. I'm disapointed. There are only 5 shows I watch on t.v. (when I get the chance) and three of them are on CN. The first and second being YJ and Green Lantern respectively and the third being Adventure Time! (The other two are Ancient Aliens and Workaholics)
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Post by Beacon on Mar 19, 2013 23:12:26 GMT -5
Bull... If immortal old villains like Ra's A Gaul, or Vandal Savage couldn't conquer the world BEFORE there were thousands of superheroes running around, what makes them think they can possibly succeed now. Exactly. This is why I can’t take the whole “immortal conqueror” archetype seriously in superhero fiction. If you couldn’t take over the world BEFORE the Justice Society came along then you sure aren’t going to now that everyone and their mother has powers. At least Ra's Al Gaul built the League of Assassins … which has some pretty impressive members (by which I mean “mostly Lady Shiva”). Savage is MUCH older than Ra’s and all he ever does is point at history books and say “that was totally me”. Darksied rules an entire planet with an iron fist. He’s been in a stalemated war with a planet full of Superman-level beings for ages. Vandal Savage isn’t fit to lick Darksied’s boots.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 20, 2013 5:55:14 GMT -5
That's a ridiculous standard based on nothing more than your own prejudice. Pretty clearly, within the setting, Savage's accomplishments speak for themselves.
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Post by roxolid on Mar 20, 2013 6:20:06 GMT -5
Savage is about as successful as Kang in Marvel. Changes time, heroes go back or forward in time as required. Stop conquerer/despot. All back to normal. Darkseid is successful in his own way - he owns a planet but his ambitions further from that have always been stopped. So you could say that Darkseid and every other villain out there is as rubbish as the other, because they always lose.
An exception (to my mind) is Joker. He has killed so many people, and been let out/escaped from jail/Asylum so many times its no wonder he thinks the whole system is a joke. Joker always wins because to lose (get scheme foiled and get thrown in prison/arkham) he has to beat the system in some way first to escape, which gives him something to do/think about and is half of the fun. Any sane person would have fried him in a chair or tossed him off a rooftop by now. Maybe its Batman that's mad...
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Post by Beacon on Mar 20, 2013 18:28:54 GMT -5
That's a ridiculous standard based on nothing more than your own prejudice. Its “prejudice” to expect a villain to accomplish something before putting him in the same league as a guy who runs his own planet? What accomplishments? Just because he claims to be Julius Caesar or whoever doesn’t mean he was. If he WAS Caesar, then he allowed himself to get overthrown by a bunch of Senators without powers. Savage is about as successful as Kang in Marvel. Changes time, heroes go back or forward in time as required. Stop conquerer/despot. All back to normal. Darkseid is successful in his own way - he owns a planet but his ambitions further from that have always been stopped. So you could say that Darkseid and every other villain out there is as rubbish as the other, because they always lose. Kang is a weird case. I WANT to like him but constantly getting beat up by 20th century heroes is like a modern army losing to a bunch of knights. Forget Batman. Why hasn’t some cop shot the Joker in the head? The police don’t have any code against killing when it concerns mass-murderers like the Joker. (Of course plot-induced invulnerability is a whole different topic.)
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Post by Beacon on Mar 25, 2013 19:49:59 GMT -5
www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44467So the show is killed because of poor sales on non-existent merchandise and they plan to finally put out a multi-platform video game tie-in half a year after the series is cancelled? This is just the kind of brilliant decision-making I expect out of the people that gave us the DCnU 52.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 25, 2013 19:55:11 GMT -5
Er... the merch was hardly non-existent. You can find it on the discount rack of every store that retails toys. The Toys 'R Us website is literally running sales on YJ Merch on an almost weekly basis...
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Post by Beacon on Mar 25, 2013 20:06:48 GMT -5
Odd. I was constantly seeing people online complain about the lack of GLtAS and YJ merch.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 25, 2013 20:09:23 GMT -5
I've never seen anything for GL, but the YJ stuff is pretty much ubiquitous here in WalMart, K Mart, Meijer (a local WalMart-type place), Toys R Us, etc.
They're some of the dumbest looking toys I ever remember seeing, and IIRC the original shelf prices were outrageous, but they're pretty easy to find. I almost gave in and bought an Aqualad and a Superboy, but I couldn't bring myself to do it b/c the figures are so horrendous looking.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 25, 2013 20:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by Cernunnos on Mar 25, 2013 21:08:03 GMT -5
So the show is killed because of poor sales on non-existent merchandise and they plan to finally put out a multi-platform video game tie-in half a year after the series is cancelled? Sooooooooooo... why would anyone want to buy a game that is a stand alone, with no future plans in the works to continue developing a market/universe? Uhhhhhmmmmm... please tell me that they went up in price because the show was cancelled, and these weren't the original shelf prices.
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