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Post by takewithfood on Oct 18, 2012 13:36:38 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's Jason Todd. Sucks to be him, too. Not only is he dead, and not only did he die off screen, in a time-skip, but he became a hero and beloved member of the team, and THEN died in a time-skip. Ouch.
I'm really enjoying it, too.
~TWF
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Post by Beacon on Feb 24, 2013 23:21:01 GMT -5
This show still has too many characters to do a decent job juggling plotlines (what happened to the Roy Harper that I actually care about?) and the addition of Static’s team isn’t helping.
I did love G Gordon Godfrey confronting the Reach about the invasion. He’s the last person I expected to do that given his comic history. Of course chances are good that it just means the Reach and the Light are a red herrings and Darkseid is the real villain … again.
I hope they don’t go that way again. It was a satisfying conclusion to JLU but it’d feel out of left field in YJ
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Post by WildKnight on Feb 25, 2013 6:36:56 GMT -5
I don't mind the massive cast really. I feel like they focus on a few people each episode, and they've gotten much better at resolving personal story arcs.
In the midst of everything that was happening in the last episode (or the last episode that I saw, anyway), they still took some time to have Miss Martian and Nightwing discuss their failings and come to terms with things. Arsenal leaving the team and going "rogue" with the four kids didn't feel rushed, and that episode is the first time I've ever given a crap about Roy Harper in any capacity, so they're doing something right.
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Post by Beacon on Mar 2, 2013 0:41:47 GMT -5
I care more about the Roy clone (Red Arrow) than the original recipe (Arsenal) and we haven’t seen RA in ages. Characters like Lagoon Boy, Wonder Girl, Beast Boy, Batgirl, the new Robin, Bumblebee, Herald, and most of Static’s team get so little characterization they might as well not be there. Actually Blue Beetle and Impulse (and Arsenal if he counts as “new”) are the only new team members that seem to be contributing to the main story. Obviously Static’s team is important too but – Apache Chief’s friendship to Blue aside – they’re pretty much interchangeable.
(I find it weird that WildKnight is defending YJ to me)
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 2, 2013 8:39:31 GMT -5
*shrugs*
I didn't really mean to "defend" it, just to look at it from a different angle, but yeah, I really do feel like the show took a left turn this season and has become a whole lot more entertaining. Getting me to care about DC characters that I never gave a fig for in the past (i.e. Roy Harper) is a feat, so they've earned some of my respect. I'm not trying to convince you to like the show, I'm just saying "I am enjoying it right now, and here is why."
I feel like Static's team has individual personalities and everything, they're just not the main focus of the show. If I've got a complaint about that team it's that Static isn't "front and center" enough, and I really liked the idea of seeing him in the mainstream DCU.
On a side note, I don't think it's particularly unusual for a show to be... "not particularly good" to put it nicely in the first season, or even two or three seasons, and then turn out to be pretty good. Smallville's first few seasons were fairly lame, with the exception of a really solid episode here and there, but the show got much, much better.
There's also a precedent, of course, for a show starting off really strong and then becoming very difficult to watch, like the Battlestar Galactica reboot a few years back.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Mar 16, 2013 10:02:35 GMT -5
*Watches Wally in the latest episode.*
....... rutt THIS SHOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! *Fires a gun repeatedly!!!*
FIRST FLASHPOINT, AND NOW THIS HORSE S***!!!
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 16, 2013 21:15:58 GMT -5
Wally is the fourth rate Flash. Who cares?
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Mar 16, 2013 21:35:42 GMT -5
Wally is the fourth rate Flash. Who cares? I finally see you for what you really are. You are a troll. You can't seriously ask that question. Wally was the Flash for twenty five years. Then Barry comes back. Wally gets retconed out of existance due to Flashpoint, the ultimate insult to any fan who ever gave a damn about his story. And now Young Justice decides to end nby killing him off to add further insult to injury. And you have the nerve, the nerve to go "Who cares." A LOT OF PEOPLE CARE!!!
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 17, 2013 6:03:07 GMT -5
Comical. Im a troll because I dont care about 5he death of a comic book character. Let me clue you in. First, Wally was never even an interesting character in the comics. Barry was my Flash and I didnt pout like a 9 year old when he was replaced with a half assed pseudo clone just like I tolerated replacing Hal with an artist.
In comic books, especially DC, transitions between stories are marked by identity transitions. Get over it.
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Post by Hypester on Mar 17, 2013 10:01:25 GMT -5
Honestly... I was in it for the storyline from the beginning, and the storyline is and was wicked awesome, with the one shortcoming of that that second to last episode was clearly meant to play out over 3-4 eps, and the last one could/should have been 1-2, with plenty of time to fill in about Red Arrow and some others. Alas, cheap TV execs and their lack of desire to see these types of storylines.
The characters were great, imho. I was put off at the beginning of the second season, when I realized that it was a small army and that it would no longer be going deep into any of the characters - I was surprised when some still got focus episodes - but after I understood that, I loved every additional step of the way. Some of the fights were simply beyond anything I'd ever seen in cartoons before, and there were a lot of great character moments for a show that didn't spend much time developing its characters' personalities.
If the biggest criticism against this show is that it didn't "fix" an entirely different medium, then by golly, the show was near-perfect.
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Post by Hoots Rowlet on Mar 17, 2013 13:17:29 GMT -5
Comical. Im a troll because I dont care about 5he death of a comic book character. Let me clue you in. First, Wally was never even an interesting character in the comics. Barry was my Flash and I didnt pout like a 9 year old when he was replaced with a half assed pseudo clone just like I tolerated replacing Hal with an artist. In comic books, especially DC, transitions between stories are marked by identity transitions. Get over it. Here's an idea why don't you actually practice what you preach you insulting, patronizing, hypocrite!
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 17, 2013 15:56:06 GMT -5
Comical. I'm a troll because I don't care about 5he death of a comic book character. Let me clue you in. First, Wally was never even an interesting character in the comics. Barry was my Flash and I didn't pout like a 9 year old when he was replaced with a half assed pseudo clone just like I tolerated replacing Hal with an artist. In comic books, especially DC, transitions between stories are marked by identity transitions. Get over it. Here's an idea why don't you actually practice what you preach you insulting, patronizing, hypocrite! Seriously? All this over the death of a character in a cartoon? Again, I point out; people my age went through the deaths of "our" Flash, Green Lantern, Blue Beetle, and even Superman. Wally had a great story arc on YJ, and died a hero's death. It was fitting, it was respectful, and it was a good way to remove redundant characters. Somewhere, I'm sure there are Jason Todd fans. I personally know Ted Kord fans. How do you think THEY feel? Their heroes get ignominious, off-screen deaths that barely get any mention at all. You got to watch your guy sacrifice himself for the greater good. Instead of attacking me because I don't care about the Great and Powerful Wally, why don't you re-trace his character arc throughout the show and see how much respect they DID pay him? My favorite character hasn't done anything particularly heroic or noteworthy, and just up and quit. So... yeah. I see no room for you to feel slighted.
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Post by WildKnight on Mar 17, 2013 15:59:34 GMT -5
Honestly... I was in it for the storyline from the beginning, and the storyline is and was wicked awesome This is where I'm at. I HATED this show initially, and I still argue that the "talk it out" resolution of the last story arc is the stupidest thing in the history of two mediums (super hero comic books and super hero cartoons)... but his arc grabbed me. It was great from beginning to end. It had it's less impressive moments, but certainly, as a "team story" with a lot of characters and half an hour per episode to tell it's story, I have to consider it a pretty impressive feat.
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Post by justice009 on Mar 17, 2013 16:25:20 GMT -5
Agreed even though i haven't seen the season finale ep yet, nor did i read every comment here overall i enjoy it no matter how much the last ep is going to suck, from what i have been hearing it was Really bad lol
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Post by Beacon on Mar 18, 2013 21:08:14 GMT -5
I’m kind of happy this DIDN’T get renewed. The second season was disappointing but what the finale has set up looks worse*. Plus they copied the whole “hastily thrown together couples” thing that so many people hated in the first season.
*The Flash I like is gone (again). Batgirl is set up as a potential team leader even though she’s done nothing all year. The other characters who have done nothing all year … continue to do nothing to the point where Static is the only member of the D-Team to even show up. Vandal Savage is put on equal footing with freaking Darksied.
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